carlos.paula Posted June 6, 2014 Share #1 Posted June 6, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Friends, I know that this space is not correct for this matter, but I want to know that anyone knows how can I repair and retouch the painting of my Visoflex I. It has a kind of corrugated black finish. Thanks a lot. ruhnerrenek 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pop Posted June 7, 2014 Share #2 Posted June 7, 2014 I have moved your query to a new thread where it has better changes of being found by members who can help. carlos.paula 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
luigi bertolotti Posted June 7, 2014 Share #3 Posted June 7, 2014 First of all... show some picture... possibly better than this one... Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. Hallo Gast! Du willst die Bilder sehen? Einfach registrieren oder anmelden!Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. Hallo Gast! Du willst die Bilder sehen? Einfach registrieren oder anmelden!Viso I has a paint that is not so trivial to restore (much refined than PLOOT) having a sort of "texture" which prevents quick retouching... some labs (Van Manen) can take care of. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
carlos.paula Posted June 8, 2014 Author Share #4 Posted June 8, 2014 Here is...This is partially disassembled for cleaning and some parts will receive a new chrome plating. Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. Hallo Gast! Du willst die Bilder sehen? Einfach registrieren oder anmelden!Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. Hallo Gast! Du willst die Bilder sehen? Einfach registrieren oder anmelden! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zeitz Posted June 8, 2014 Share #5 Posted June 8, 2014 The paint is black crackle. It is very hard to apply with consistent crackle and without runs. You can buy black crackle paint, but even then it helps to heat the part before painting it. It will be very hard to reproduce the finish that Leitz skillfully applied to many products under ideal conditions. Practice on some scrap metal before trying to spray the Visoflex. The plater while have to know how the parts fit back together so that the brass and chrome build up does not make the parts too big to reassemble. Visoflex I units are common, and a mint condition unit likely can be bought for less than the price of the chroming job. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
250swb Posted June 8, 2014 Share #6 Posted June 8, 2014 I wouldn't even try unless you are willing to strip the whole thing down and send it to a specialist finisher. The aerosol wrinkle finish paint is both inconsistent and only a decorative finish, so it won't stand up to handling. Steve Quote Link to post Share on other sites
luigi bertolotti Posted June 8, 2014 Share #7 Posted June 8, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) I wouldn't even try unless you are willing to strip the whole thing down and send it to a specialist finisher. The aerosol wrinkle finish paint is both inconsistent and only a decorative finish, so it won't stand up to handling. Steve I agree... if you want to do it yourself.. ok, can be a good exercise... if you had to pay for a lab... a well done job imho isn't worth the cost. 250swb 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pierovitch Posted June 8, 2014 Share #8 Posted June 8, 2014 I have done it on a Rollei Prism after practice with temperatures coating thickness and timing between the two required main coats. Very inconsistent and very hard to remove if a mistake happens. My last attempted use was for my retro iPhone cover. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jc_braconi Posted June 9, 2014 Share #9 Posted June 9, 2014 I have done it on a Rollei Prism after practice with temperatures coating thickness and timing between the two required main coats. Very inconsistent and very hard to remove if a mistake happens. My last attempted use was for my retro iPhone cover. At this point of worning it will be more easy to remove all the painting and start from the brass with a primer and next if sanding is not necessary to apply layers with time in between for hardening, you can find this kind of paint you need for this 'crackling' aspect Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pico Posted June 9, 2014 Share #10 Posted June 9, 2014 (edited) I have used black wrinkle paint for decades, some of it on camera bodies, and most on motorcycle engine parts. I find it remarkably durable. If applied properly, it looks very good. Remove the current finish, then clean the surface with acetone. Don't touch it after that. Working outside at a temperature of at least 70F, lay down a layer of green zinc primer (cold galvanizing spray paint) (dries very quickly), and when applying the paint (spray paint), keep a distance of 12 inches. Lay down one thick coat and wait about 6 minutes, but no longer than an 20 minutes to apply a second coat. Then, if the part will not be damaged, put it in the oven at 200F for 29 minutes, shut off the oven, then let it cool in the oven. The crinkle finish hides any scratches or pits. Practice upon a metal something you don't care about. Edited June 9, 2014 by pico tdavis, Washington and jc_braconi 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
carlos.paula Posted June 11, 2014 Author Share #11 Posted June 11, 2014 Dear Pico, excellent instructions. I have some problems to found just now the VHT Wrinckle, but I will buy one can, because the supplier will import as soon as possible. Thanks a lot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pico Posted June 11, 2014 Share #12 Posted June 11, 2014 Dear Pico, excellent instructions. I have some problems to found just now the VHT Wrinckle, but I will buy one can, because the supplier will import as soon as possible. Thanks a lot. There are other brands. I just happen to use VHT. By the way, the spray nozzle becomes clogged very easily. After using it, purge the nozzle by turning the can upside-down and spray until nothing but gas comes out. While it is still upside-down gently wipe the face of the nozzle to clean away any drippings. That said, I still find that about half the cans still clog. . Best of luck! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Washington Posted June 19, 2014 Share #13 Posted June 19, 2014 I have an old double-stroke M-3 dulled down for Ranger operations in Viet Nam. I used crinkle paint to do so and it is still as good to as when applied in1968. The secret to all metal panting is surface prep and proper application of acid- etch primer (thin) on a super cleaned surface. Crinkle paint is them applied in three thin coats waiting 15-20 minutes between each coat, The body is usually stripped and I bake it @ 200 degrees but air dry fine, takes time to crinkle fully. I have restored Visos to work with the Digital Viso 2, 2a and 3 sometimes modifying the inner release mechanism for longer arm throw. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pico Posted June 19, 2014 Share #14 Posted June 19, 2014 I have an old double-stroke M-3 dulled down for Ranger operations in Viet Nam. Welcome back, Rip. Good to see another vet who ignores the Pentagon directive of 1967 to spell Viet Nam as one word. Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. Hallo Gast! Du willst die Bilder sehen? Einfach registrieren oder anmelden! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jaapv Posted June 19, 2014 Share #15 Posted June 19, 2014 I have an old double-stroke M-3 dulled down for Ranger operations in Viet Nam. I used crinkle paintto do so and it is still as good to as when applied in1968. The secret to all metal panting is surface prep and proper application of acid- etch primer (thin) on a super cleaned surface. Crinkle paint is them applied in three thin coats waiting 15-20 minutes between each coat, The body is usually stripped and I bake it @ 200 degrees but air dry fine, takes time to crinkle fully. I have restored Visos to work with the Digital Viso 2, 2a and 3 sometimes modifying the inner release mechanism for longer arm throw. Hey! Back again Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. Hallo Gast! Du willst die Bilder sehen? Einfach registrieren oder anmelden! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Washington Posted June 25, 2014 Share #16 Posted June 25, 2014 Yowsir Jappy, good to see your smiling face again! The BEST to you Sir! Cheers Rip rfaspen 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tri Posted June 26, 2014 Share #17 Posted June 26, 2014 Cheers Rip! Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. Hallo Gast! Du willst die Bilder sehen? Einfach registrieren oder anmelden! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
carlos.paula Posted June 28, 2014 Author Share #18 Posted June 28, 2014 Here is the Visoflex I, now repainted and cleaned... Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. Hallo Gast! Du willst die Bilder sehen? Einfach registrieren oder anmelden!Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. Hallo Gast! Du willst die Bilder sehen? Einfach registrieren oder anmelden!Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. Hallo Gast! Du willst die Bilder sehen? Einfach registrieren oder anmelden! k-hawinkler and Pyrogallol 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
carlos.paula Posted June 30, 2014 Author Share #19 Posted June 30, 2014 Friends, I know that there is two versions of the right angle viewfinder PAMOO, for use into PLOOT or Visoflex I. One have a prism inside (newer) and the other one, a simple mirror. So, I have one for old model, with a mirror. My doubt is that the image produced by this viewer is reversed both horizontal and vertical way; in other words, upside down image. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
raymcveigh Posted June 15 Share #20 Posted June 15 hi Carlos ! just reading your thread with interest as I am trying to restore a Visoflex I myself, I received it in pieces and in reassembling it, I cannot get the release mechanism to return smoothly...it will lock up, with the mirror closed, for shooting, but it will not drop down open again for viewing...am I missing a spring ? Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. Hallo Gast! Du willst die Bilder sehen? Einfach registrieren oder anmelden!Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. Hallo Gast! Du willst die Bilder sehen? Einfach registrieren oder anmelden! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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