tookaphotoof Posted April 15, 2015 Share #1021 Posted April 15, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) After 52 pages I'm still not convinced the bottom plate as it is today, makes sense on a digital camera... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jdlaing Posted April 15, 2015 Share #1022 Posted April 15, 2015 After 52 pages I'm still not convinced the bottom plate as it is today, makes sense on a digital camera... I solved that problem and don't think of it any more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mornnb Posted April 15, 2015 Share #1023 Posted April 15, 2015 After 52 pages of this I have to say the M-P 240 is wonderful. Why change anything? Because stagnation is death. If the M platform is to survive it needs to improve and keep up with technological change. Ideally it needs to stay ahead of the curve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted April 16, 2015 Share #1024 Posted April 16, 2015 Because stagnation is death. If the M platform is to survive it needs to improve and keep up with technological change. Ideally it needs to stay ahead of the curve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Perkins Posted April 16, 2015 Share #1025 Posted April 16, 2015 As a person who only recently acquired an M240 (and had an M9 only briefly just before): - Faster boot up and wake from sleep and eliminate all random intermittent delays - M6 size body - ISO 25,600 that looks like today's 1600 (let me dream, I want to zone focus in low light) That's it. It is the most enjoyable digital camera I have owned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
571514M3 Posted April 16, 2015 Share #1026 Posted April 16, 2015 Back to the original question: The M-P is actually a wonderful tool, and almost perfect. If it was not for those electric frame lines. And, who needs a screen (mostly I wipe fingerprints from the nice sapphire glass)? I would immediately order the next M if it came: -without screen -with natural light frame lines like my M3 or M4 AND just for dreaming: ...imagine a 'sensor unit' that slots in from under the base plate without tools (like a SD card), to swap when the next gen über-MP sensor comes on the market. Or to take out when it needs cleaning or goes bad. This may be a dream, but could be done. That would be the ultimate M: simple, upgradeable, eco, durable, thinner, lighter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted April 16, 2015 Share #1027 Posted April 16, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Because stagnation is death. If the M platform is to survive it needs to improve and keep up with technological change. Ideally it needs to stay ahead of the curve. You mean something like this? Note: The screen size is a compromise between no screen and large screen. To satisfy large screen demands, there is a 4K projector in the front which is not visible from behind. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/215101-what-do-you-want-in-the-next-digital-m/?do=findComment&comment=2799189'>More sharing options...
lct Posted April 16, 2015 Share #1028 Posted April 16, 2015 Haha! funny... "ahead of the curve"... I could not care less about that... BTW the "call Spock" button can be reconfigured to call Scotty hopefully . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted April 16, 2015 Share #1029 Posted April 16, 2015 Haha! funny... "ahead of the curve"... I could not care less about that... BTW the "call Spock" button can be reconfigured to call Scotty hopefully . Of course... each button can be reconfigured to a second set by pressing simultaneously a shift button (in the front for ergonomic reasons). (Note: All these button are re-programmable by writing a Python code for people who want even more flexibility). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack-tucker Posted April 17, 2015 Share #1030 Posted April 17, 2015 I'm quite happy with the M-P. IF I would need something more, than it would be stability - No Lockups at all. And to be honest, the main reasons why I bought the M-P rather than an M9 or ME was the quieter shutter and than all the things I read about the sensor problems of the M9. Electronic viewfinder, Movie, Focus help and other technical extras the M 240/ M-P has to offer are in my eyes gimmicks I really don't need. The reason to buy a digital M was, for me, was to focus on the essential. For Movie or to use tele lenses, I kept my DSLR equipment (which I haven't used since January, when I bought the M-P). Some wishes, I read here sound a bit scary for me. If Leica keeps on packing more technic in their future Ms I hope they will always offer a minimalist M in their range, as well. I just need a digital version of what I had in the M6/MP. Regards, Florian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 17, 2015 Share #1031 Posted April 17, 2015 Gimmicks - I don't know - if you are travelling doing both people/landscape and some long lens work (and the M series are supposed to be travel cameras) do you really want to carry both an M system plus a big DSLR system on your back, mostly in 40 Centigrade? It is a blessing to have just an 80-200 and EVF to slip into your camera bag, enhancing the functionality of the M series. Or to take a tripod shot of a landscape using LV. Nothing gimmicky about it... And if you are a photojournalist doing a session with a client, is it not very practical to be able to do a seamless Talking Head bit in between? Etc. The fact that I do not need some aspects are not necessarily the measure for others. They don't harm the purists either. LV? - don't push the button. EVF-don't buy or use one.Video? Disable the button. Switch to Shutterspeed instead of A and you have your M6 experience.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack-tucker Posted April 18, 2015 Share #1032 Posted April 18, 2015 Sure, what ever function I don't need is disabled or ignored. Still I guess, the M could be smaller, lighter and more affordable and who knows, even more stable, without all these functions. As this thread is asking for wishes for the next M, I wish, that in case Leica continues to pack more functions in future Ms, they will also offer a simplistic M which is otherwise perfect as the M 240 (shuttersound, viewfinder, image quality, etc.) When I am traveling I anyway have to think twice if I want to carry my 70-200 with me. I guess I will prefer something like a 90 Apo Summicron or so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tookaphotoof Posted April 18, 2015 Share #1033 Posted April 18, 2015 Leaving out stuff like LV or the video option really isn't going to make your camera smaller. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 18, 2015 Share #1034 Posted April 18, 2015 Nor cheaper - the cost of implementing these functions is virtually nil per camera Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack-tucker Posted April 19, 2015 Share #1035 Posted April 19, 2015 Ok, I am a photographer, not a engineer, so I won't answer with your certainty. Still I am pretty sure that an M with less functions would be sold much cheaper, particular in a lineup next to a flagship camera like the 240. And then there is still the point "stability" (meaning no lock ups) left. After all what has been written in other threats it all looks like these are caused by some FW buck which even Leica can not figure out. Probably we would not have to bare with this issue in a camera kept more simplistic. Again, I am not an engineer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mornnb Posted April 19, 2015 Share #1036 Posted April 19, 2015 You mean something like this? Leica is who they are today by being ahead of the curve, they created the 35mm camera in an era of large format. They bet on there being a market for a small format professional camera. The M240 is ahead of the curve. It was launched in 2012, and it was the first full frame professional mirrorless camera with no mirrorbox and an EVF. The second was the Sony A7. EVF will be the death of the SLR, we are currently watching another shift in the industry like the shift from Rangefinder to SLR. Through the sensor is better than through the lens. This revolution Leica and Sony are the innovators, and the trusty old M is also the camera of the future. And in terms of a new M? I think the M240 got things right, it just needs a few upgrades to stay up with changing technology. A better EVF. A sensor with better high ISO and more resolution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tenmangu81 Posted April 19, 2015 Share #1037 Posted April 19, 2015 And in terms of a new M? I think the M240 got things right, it just needs a few upgrades to stay up with changing technology. A better EVF. A sensor with better high ISO and more resolution. I don't use EVF (I find it too much bulky, and I love the small size of the M), but I agree with a higher and better sensor sensitivity. More resolution ? 24 Mpx is enough for me. I don't want Leica running in a Mpx competition with MF sensors or Japanese camera makers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mornnb Posted April 19, 2015 Share #1038 Posted April 19, 2015 I don't want Leica running in a Mpx competition with MF sensors or Japanese camera makers. I don't want the worlds sharpest lenses to be on a sensor that can resolve less than half their resolution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 19, 2015 Share #1039 Posted April 19, 2015 It doesn't work that way. Neither the lens resolution nor the sensor resolution is the limiting factor. It is the combination of the two that makes the final image. Put a second-rate lens on a better sensor and the image will improve. Put a better lens on a limited sensor and the image will improve. Sharpness is not an optical parameter, as it cannot be quantified, btw. Resolution and microcontrast are. It is the cause of this confusion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted April 19, 2015 Share #1040 Posted April 19, 2015 You mean something like this? Note: The screen size is a compromise between no screen and large screen. To satisfy large screen demands, there is a 4K projector in the front which is not visible from behind. With a iphone-like menu no needs for all these oldish buttons, just a wide high res screen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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