hossegor Posted October 16, 2013 Share #601 Posted October 16, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) no its not, but i dont mind that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 16, 2013 Posted October 16, 2013 Hi hossegor, Take a look here The Sony A7 thread [Merged]. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
dwbell Posted October 16, 2013 Share #602 Posted October 16, 2013 Sony wants you to buy the body with zoom. The A7 body is about $1,700 and the zoom is $1,200 but bought as a kit together they are $2,000 if B & H has them listed correctly. The charger is not shown as included even though it might be. It is listed at $48 and batteries are $38. You can buy three batteris for the price of one Leica. Ah, yes, but the Leica batteries are manufactured and assembled in an elaborate manual process that must satisfy the most stringent demands on precision engineering, painstaking care and quality. Or something.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedi996sps Posted October 16, 2013 Share #603 Posted October 16, 2013 Really makes me chuckle over some of the comments on this forum in the past year. . Just the last year?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted October 16, 2013 Share #604 Posted October 16, 2013 I must be in some sort of parallel universe, estimated delivery is 19 November .... ..... 2013!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest borge Posted October 16, 2013 Share #605 Posted October 16, 2013 Ah, yes, but the Leica batteries are manufactured and assembled in an elaborate manual process that must satisfy the most stringent demands on precision engineering, painstaking care and quality. Or something.... Well, the Leica M Typ 240 batteries are about 3-4x the capacity of these small Sony batteries, so... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest borge Posted October 16, 2013 Share #606 Posted October 16, 2013 Let's stick to one forum thread, yea? http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/digital-forum/304307-anyone-thinking-about-sony-a7-a7r.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted October 16, 2013 Share #607 Posted October 16, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well, the Leica M Typ 240 batteries are about 3-4x the capacity of these small Sony batteries, so... Yeah, good point to be honest. To be honest though, I'd rather carry 3 lighter batteries in my bag on my shoulder, and one lighter one in the camera in my hand, than 1 heavy battery grip with equivalent capacity. If you see what I mean? I'm always changing the Fuji's batteries it seems, but for the lightweight it's well worth it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted October 16, 2013 Share #608 Posted October 16, 2013 I must be in some sort of parallel universe, estimated delivery is 19 November .... ..... 2013!!! I told B & H to notify me when in stock. Of course I also told them to notify me when the 50 APO Summicron is in stock. They quit updating me on that a while back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanyasi Posted October 16, 2013 Share #609 Posted October 16, 2013 I am now sitting firmly on the fence. Before ordering, I would suggest that people read Ming Thein's comments. Quick thoughts on the Sony A7 and A7R – Ming Thein | Photographer I know certain other commentators are very controversial and disliked by many, but Ming is a straight shooter and very thoughtful. He apparently did not receive an advanced copy and his comments are observations--not a review--but I think they raise some important points. Specifically, he points out that the 7r (36) file size will make camera shake more visible to the extent there is camera shake. He is concerned that the small body may create ergonomics issues that could lead to camera shake. He also notes that if the lenses adapters for Leica and other lens are not extremely well made, that the resulting negative impact on images will be very apparent. I am concerned about the noise when the shutter is released. A video (available here:sonyalpharumors) indicates that the camera is really loud. I had hoped to use the camera in jazz clubs, but noise is definitely an issue in that setting (unless you have a 25-piece band playing). The video--although a very preliminary review/look--was very favorable about the image quality (particularly because I think they weren't shooting in raw), but I did not hear unbelievable comments about performance at higher ISOs. So is it back to the new Olympus? I don't think so. The problem with the 3/4s system now is that it is on its way out (with the caveat that nothing ever seems to disappear), at least in terms of full frame. It is either going to have to go full frame to keep the pros and enthusiasts, or they will go over to Sony or another company. As I have said before, it isn't the camera body--it is the lenses where the real money gets spent. To me, it doesn't make sense to invest in 3 lenses for the Olympus only to switch systems in a year or two and start over or need to buy lenses that are made for full frame cameras. So in one sense, the Sony is a bad thing for me. Had it not come out, I would be happily using the new Olympus. But with it in the picture now, I think it makes sense to wait a little longer. Fortunately, I am still happy with the Leica Ms that I own, so I can still have just as much fun as I have been having. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted October 16, 2013 Share #610 Posted October 16, 2013 Talking of A7R even if not as good as desired with wider than 35mm M lenses it should be good with longer M and all R lenses. It seems A7R will take over from M as R solution. At £1700 in UK launch price is only 1/3 of the M typ 240 price, few frills like extra chargers, batteries or lens adapters, all cheaper than Leica equivalents makes it tempting proposition. Not only Leica but Canon & Nikon need to wake up fast otherwise Sony is going to sweep the floor with the lot in full frame department, top range DSLRs same as optical RF cameras are niche market anyway. We now need to give early reviewers chance to tell us more in the meantime it is safe to say that Christmas came early this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerndReini Posted October 16, 2013 Share #611 Posted October 16, 2013 Leica has to up their game. They can't sell a camera for $7,000 when the competition is so close on their heels without offering something that is better in every way. The rangefinder will compensate for many die-hard Leica fans (I consider myself one), but it doesn't justify an almost $5,000 difference in price. We have the equivalent scenario as we had with the S system and the Nikon D800E. There were some differences to justify a price difference but it is difficult to compete against the giants in the market. Leica have their work cut out for them. It is a good thing they already filled many orders of the M because the direct comparison will be inevitable. I know that websites are already gearing up for comparisons of image quality and EVF functionality with M lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted October 16, 2013 Share #612 Posted October 16, 2013 From the review on The Luminous Landscape: "...virtually every Leica M lenses that I own works well on the A7R. Some of the ultra-wide and very wides do vignette, so be aware of this. There is no software correction for this, because we're mixing and matching. With other systems where the lens and camera are from the same company there's a lot of magic that can be done in firmware. I had neither the time nor the full selection of lenses to test in detail what works and what doesn't, but I think it fair to say that most retrofocus design Leica M lenses will work on the A7R." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted October 16, 2013 Share #613 Posted October 16, 2013 I would go for the Zeiss 24-70 zoom along with a couple of Leica primes. In my case, I'm particularly interested in using my 50 LUX ASPH. This comment from Steve Huff has really piqued my interest: "I also have a sneaking suspicion that this camera will deliver better results than the Leica M with certain Leica lenses. The 50 Lux was magical on it as when I focused (which was a piece of cake due to the large EVF) it was just as quick as when I use the RF of the Leica, but when the image played back the result was massive 3D depth. Almost like a mix of the M8 and M9 together. Crispy yet smooth." Judging from his shots on his blog I would take this with a grain of salt as Huff has not outed himself as a connoisseur when it comes to sheer IQ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted October 16, 2013 Share #614 Posted October 16, 2013 It's just that the total package Leica offers is only offered by Leica, there is no camera that feels the same as a M in my opinion and I'm fine to pay premium for this. My M9-P has seen more abuse than any other camera I've ever had, and it still works perfectly fine, this year the frame selector broke, and the parallax correction didn't work anymore for the 35mm lens... I send it in, and it came back all clean, new covering, and a new sensor (for me a unknown reason) This I like, I'm sure the A7 won't feel as robust and intuitive as a M. So yes for ME it is worth the extra buck. A camera is not ALL about image quality you know, because if it was, I would be walking around with a Linhof and do street with that? or maybe not. I mean 35mm film was a set back in image quality, but it was compact and carry able compared to the medium format cameras. So yes, I opt for Leica, and I don't think Leica has to do 'shit' because companies are on their heels, no one is on Leica's heels as long as they can't make a camera as robust and intuitive and beautiful... just my few seconds of life. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted October 16, 2013 Share #615 Posted October 16, 2013 From the review on The Luminous Landscape: "...virtually every Leica M lenses that I own works well on the A7R. Some of the ultra-wide and very wides do vignette, so be aware of this. There is no software correction for this, because we're mixing and matching. With other systems where the lens and camera are from the same company there's a lot of magic that can be done in firmware. I had neither the time nor the full selection of lenses to test in detail what works and what doesn't, but I think it fair to say that most retrofocus design Leica M lenses will work on the A7R." No this sounds really promising... The e-mount to M adapter I still have from may Nex 7 days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 16, 2013 Share #616 Posted October 16, 2013 I am now sitting firmly on the fence. Before ordering, I would suggest that people read Ming Thein's comments. Quick thoughts on the Sony A7 and A7R – Ming Thein | Photographer I know certain other commentators are very controversial and disliked by many, but Ming is a straight shooter and very thoughtful. He apparently did not receive an advanced copy and his comments are observations--not a review--but I think they raise some important points. Specifically, he points out that the 7r (36) file size will make camera shake more visible to the extent there is camera shake. He is concerned that the small body may create ergonomics issues that could lead to camera shake. He also notes that if the lenses adapters for Leica and other lens are not extremely well made, that the resulting negative impact on images will be very apparent. I am concerned about the noise when the shutter is released. A video (available here:sonyalpharumors) indicates that the camera is really loud. I had hoped to use the camera in jazz clubs, but noise is definitely an issue in that setting (unless you have a 25-piece band playing). The video--although a very preliminary review/look--was very favorable about the image quality (particularly because I think they weren't shooting in raw), but I did not hear unbelievable comments about performance at higher ISOs. So is it back to the new Olympus? I don't think so. The problem with the 3/4s system now is that it is on its way out (with the caveat that nothing ever seems to disappear), at least in terms of full frame. It is either going to have to go full frame to keep the pros and enthusiasts, or they will go over to Sony or another company. As I have said before, it isn't the camera body--it is the lenses where the real money gets spent. To me, it doesn't make sense to invest in 3 lenses for the Olympus only to switch systems in a year or two and start over or need to buy lenses that are made for full frame cameras. So in one sense, the Sony is a bad thing for me. Had it not come out, I would be happily using the new Olympus. But with it in the picture now, I think it makes sense to wait a little longer. Fortunately, I am still happy with the Leica Ms that I own, so I can still have just as much fun as I have been having. Well, I want to see real reviews based on actual experience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted October 16, 2013 Share #617 Posted October 16, 2013 Well, I want to see real reviews based on actual experience. I'll go you one better - much like my M9 vs M240 colour position, I want to shoot extensively with the thing and compare it to my M240. Nothing else will tell me what I need to know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth3kpl Posted October 16, 2013 Share #618 Posted October 16, 2013 This looks like a great little camera to me. I'll probably keep my M9s and use the Sony in low light. You never know though Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglou Posted October 16, 2013 Share #619 Posted October 16, 2013 This argument of " shake " to dismiss the improvement of more pixels (supposing they are of equal quality) is very, very dumb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanyasi Posted October 16, 2013 Share #620 Posted October 16, 2013 Well, I want to see real reviews based on actual experience. I don't disagree a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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