lct Posted June 30, 2013 Share #21 Posted June 30, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yes (19). Hardly surprising with less than 2K photos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 30, 2013 Posted June 30, 2013 Hi lct, Take a look here Leica M Typ 240: Unreliable or Reliable - Survey. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
dwbell Posted June 30, 2013 Share #22 Posted June 30, 2013 If this one comes out at 30 for, 0 against - I'm going to suggest there are about 60 M240's out there in total! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpwhite Posted June 30, 2013 Share #23 Posted June 30, 2013 For my M240... YES (20) and that even includes the strap lugs that Leica wanted to repair (I did not do it... yet). PS 1 the EVF is a joke and not more "reliable" as a focusing tool than the superlative OVF PS 2 I have heard of a few lemons being shipped out, which is sad comment on what Leica claims is piece-by-piece quality control. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tanks Posted June 30, 2013 Share #24 Posted June 30, 2013 I wonder what the results of surveys in similar vein would be on other product/people fan sites? Does the term "preaching to the choir" mean anything to you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 30, 2013 Share #25 Posted June 30, 2013 Curious that naysayers don't come to vote No here. Was the same with the so-called skin tone issue if memory serves. They must be too shy i guess, i don't see another explanation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted June 30, 2013 Author Share #26 Posted June 30, 2013 I wonder what the results of surveys in similar vein would be on other product/people fan sites? Does the term "preaching to the choir" mean anything to you? Look it is what it is. If, you don't like the overwhelming answer just go back over to the threads where those that don't own the camera are masturbating all over themselves about what they think the camera is like. I didn't know what the answer was going to be to this survey. I just wanted a broader sample from the people that actually know what they are talking about - current owners. And, I don't think that anybody that answers "Yes," including me, have never had an issue with the camera. That isn't the point of this survey. Look at it this way, Diglloyd posted a blog with the heading: "Leica M Typ 240: Unreliable" I posted a question that simply stated his assertion back at him. That should be fair. I asked those that actually own the camera, who have at least as much knowledge of the camera as he, and some of us obviously a lot more; Unreliable or Reliable. It was no different than his post tagline. Problem for Lloyd is that this survey has made him look a little ridiculous or at least rash... not to mention that his bullet points below showed that he didn't understand the camera as he made inaccurate statements about the camera, one of which MJH corrected and others have pointed out the other ones, so I won't go into that here. Lastly, believe it or not, I am not attacking Lloyd or anyone else. I just want to add perspective to the pages of posts about the "Unreliable" nature of the M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted June 30, 2013 Author Share #27 Posted June 30, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have heard of a few lemons being shipped out, which is sad comment on what Leica claims is piece-by-piece quality control. Maybe, you could have all of these people stop buy and vote? PM your buddy Lloyd Chambers? That would be at least one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decreate Posted June 30, 2013 Share #28 Posted June 30, 2013 Yes （21） Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted June 30, 2013 Share #29 Posted June 30, 2013 Yes*(22) *apart from a couple of locks ups Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted June 30, 2013 Share #30 Posted June 30, 2013 Curious that naysayers don't come to vote No here. Was the same with the so-called skin tone issue if memory serves. The reason why the so-called 'nay-sayers' won't vote here is simple—they have brains, and they know how to use them, and how better not to use them. Surveys like these are just pointless b......t. And that's why those who understand the difference between a meaningful survey and a pointless survey don't take part in them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted June 30, 2013 Author Share #31 Posted June 30, 2013 The reason why the so-called 'nay-sayers' won't vote here is simple—they have brains, and they know how to use them, and how better not to use them. Surveys like these are just pointless b......t. And that's why those who understand the difference between a meaningful survey and a pointless survey don't take part in them. Ok. I've had mine for eight weeks now—absolutely no reliability issues yet. This is a quote from you yesterday on the other thread. I'll take that as a "Yes." Simple, not that hard really. You are number 23. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 30, 2013 Share #32 Posted June 30, 2013 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 30, 2013 Share #33 Posted June 30, 2013 PS 1 the EVF is a joke and not more "reliable" as a focusing tool than the superlative OVF Which seems to me to be not much of a problem for a rangefinder camera with an auxiliary EVF. If you buy the camera as an alternative to an EVIL or DSLR you have made the wrong choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 30, 2013 Share #34 Posted June 30, 2013 The reason why the so-called 'nay-sayers' won't vote here is simple—they have brains, and they know how to use them, and how better not to use them... You don't get it at all. Naysayers were all disgusted by their lemons so they sold it immediately at a ridiculous price and their buyers were so happy that they managed to vote Yes here. Convinced now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted June 30, 2013 Share #35 Posted June 30, 2013 I'll take that as a "Yes." Take it as whatever you want but do not take it as a contribution to one of those stupid "Survey" threads. Because it isn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MirekE Posted June 30, 2013 Share #36 Posted June 30, 2013 Look at it this way, Diglloyd posted a blog with the heading: "Leica M Typ 240: Unreliable" I posted a question that simply stated his assertion back at him. That should be fair. I asked those that actually own the camera, who have at least as much knowledge of the camera as he, and some of us obviously a lot more; Unreliable or Reliable. It was no different than his post tagline. I wonder how many people who voted "Yes" actually had to send their brand new camera back to Solms for the lug repair and if that situation still qualifies for "reliable". In any case, I am glad to see that there are so many cameras around. If 20 - 30 people participated in the survey, there is perhaps twice as many in the forum. That's encouraging. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted June 30, 2013 Author Share #37 Posted June 30, 2013 Take it as whatever you want but do not take it as a contribution to one of those stupid "Survey" threads. Because it isn't. Hey, but you are here, still contributing, right here, on my stupid thread. What's with that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tanks Posted June 30, 2013 Share #38 Posted June 30, 2013 I wonder how many people who voted "Yes" actually had to send their brand new camera back to Solms for the lug repair and if that situation still qualifies for "reliable".... And, also some of those same people also mentioned having occasional (as opposed to often) lock-ups. They like the camera, so they overlook the "occasional" issues with it and still consider it reliable. In business an occasional failure of a piece of equipment would not be tolerated. My personal view is that unless a piece of equipment works 100% then it is unreliable. The question then becomes "At what point do you consider failures on M 240 to be intolerable to you, 80%, 90% etc?." On another note I consider the AT&T service on my iPhone unreliable as there are locations around that the service is really bad (dropped calls, no signal etc.), but I still put up with it and use the equipment as it is reliable 90+% of the time. However, I have Verizon service on another phone so I am covered 100% of the time. It is all about what is tolerable rather than what is reliable:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted June 30, 2013 Author Share #39 Posted June 30, 2013 And, also some of those same people also mentioned having occasional (as opposed to often) lock-ups. They like the camera, so they overlook the "occasional" issues with it and still consider it reliable. In business an occasional failure of a piece of equipment would not be tolerated. My personal view is that unless a piece of equipment works 100% then it is unreliable. The question then becomes "At what point do you consider failures on M 240 to be intolerable to you, 80%, 90% etc?." On another note I consider the AT&T service on my iPhone unreliable as there are locations around that the service is really bad (dropped calls, no signal etc.), but I still put up with it and use the equipment as it is reliable 90+% of the time. However, I have Verizon service on another phone so I am covered 100% of the time. It is all about what is tolerable rather than what is reliable:D Ok, fine. You have the right to have your opinion. But, remember, I'm not the one that started out stating the M is "Unreliable. " If, you want to ask your own question, got ahead and ask if it is "tolerable." I kind of think this survey is asking the same thing. I can ask that question too if you want. In the meantime, follow directions and just vote "No" if that is how you feel, or ask your own stupid question on your own thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted June 30, 2013 Share #40 Posted June 30, 2013 Dunno yet (1) Just ~1500 shots and only had 1 lockup issue (same day I bout the Oly EVF, last week... may this be EVF related ?). N.B. unlike Lloyd, I have only used it in perfect climate. For what it matters, my 5D2 only locked up once in ~50000 shots. Would anyone please also specify shot count and whether they are using the EVF (including brand). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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