Guest badbob Posted July 11, 2013 Share #121 Posted July 11, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Leica don't seem to be chomping at the bit to try and prove you right do they ? If the differences did exist and were so valued significant and worth while, they would have surely wanted prove their point to you and the global audience. Perhaps they actually have noth Leica is bigger than you, but they're not bigger than their customers. The number one thing that I get from them is the product - answers to my questions may not be as high a priority as getting the quality right. That is probably how they see it, and certainly how I see it. In case you misread any of this discussion, I'm a customer of Leica, and an advocate for Leica, ergo my participation on a Leica forum. I'm happy with my purchases. The thing that seems to be bothering your cohorts here is that they are extremely unhappy with Leica, and because I defend Leica, they vent their anger at me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lee Martin Posted July 11, 2013 Share #122 Posted July 11, 2013 I think a village needs to do a head count !! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surfreak Posted July 12, 2013 Share #123 Posted July 12, 2013 Perhaps I am stating the obvious, but there are no Leica group operationg companies in Japan. On the other hand, my Leica D-lux 6 is made in Japan, as stated clearly on the camera's bottom. It would not be a Pindaric ode to therefore state, with little chance for argument, that my Leica D-lux 6 is not made by Leica. 1. Do I have a problem with that? No 2. Do I love my D-lux 6? Yes 3. Do I *value* it higher than the functionally, electronically and mechanically equivalent Panasonic model? Yes Finally, and I think this is the key question for me: 4. Do I believe the D-lux 6 is a Leica camera? No. I believe it is a great compact camera, partly designed by Leica and manufactured (or better, robot-factured) by another company. Therefore, go back to 1. above. 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guytou Posted July 12, 2013 Share #124 Posted July 12, 2013 Yes ! And I will add that it is not new because that has lasted for already approximately 10 years on these series of cameras ! I have personally a D-Lux 5, Digilux 2, Lumix LC1 and I live very well with… Guy 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted July 12, 2013 Share #125 Posted July 12, 2013 Anybody have an issue with this? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ...which is on the bottom of this: Is this any the less a Leica for it? No. End of. Regards, Bill Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ...which is on the bottom of this: Is this any the less a Leica for it? No. End of. Regards, Bill ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/207725-dlux6-vs-lx7-dont-laugh/?do=findComment&comment=2372466'>More sharing options...
Guytou Posted July 12, 2013 Share #126 Posted July 12, 2013 No problem for me ! But which is registration under the sole of “D-Lux-6 Edition G-Star” ? Guy Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted July 12, 2013 Share #127 Posted July 12, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Perhaps somebody who has one can take a similar picture. But who do we know that might oblige...? Regards, Bill 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest badbob Posted July 12, 2013 Share #128 Posted July 12, 2013 Perhaps I am stating the obvious, but there are no Leica group operationg companies in Japan. On the other hand, my Leica D-lux 6 is made in Japan, as stated clearly on the camera's bottom. It would not be a Pindaric ode to therefore state, with little chance for argument, that my Leica D-lux 6 is not made by Leica. 1. Do I have a problem with that? No 2. Do I love my D-lux 6? Yes 3. Do I *value* it higher than the functionally, electronically and mechanically equivalent Panasonic model? Yes Finally, and I think this is the key question for me: 4. Do I believe the D-lux 6 is a Leica camera? No. I believe it is a great compact camera, partly designed by Leica and manufactured (or better, robot-factured) by another company. Therefore, go back to 1. above. You did 'Finally' without even asking "Does Leica add any value to the Leica brand version over and above the Panasonic version for the extra amount Leica charges over the Panasonic version?" If there is no "exact" Panasonic version, then no need to ask the question. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted July 12, 2013 Share #129 Posted July 12, 2013 Much as I hate to quote myself, sometimes it is the right thing to do... In short - they are the same camera, produced by the same people with the same glass, capable of identical results. Leica is more expensive but offers better bundled software and warranty and a better resale value. Panasonic is cheaper and depreciates faster. The Leica takes an accessory handgrip. This makes handling better if you have large hands. That's it. Regards, Bill Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted July 12, 2013 Share #130 Posted July 12, 2013 You did 'Finally' without even asking "Does Leica add any value to the Leica brand version over and above the Panasonic version for the extra amount Leica charges over the Panasonic version?" If there is no "exact" Panasonic version, then no need to ask the question. I know I said I'd bowed out of this discussion, but given that we now have an acceptance from Badbob that the Leica Dlux is a version of the Panasonic I feel it right that I should rejoin the thread. Indeed there is no Panasonic Gstar version. No one has ever implied that there is. The Gstar special edition Dlux is exlusive to Leica. Bill has pointed out the added value that Leica adds to the Dlux over the Panasonic. Heard from Solms yet? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surfreak Posted July 12, 2013 Share #131 Posted July 12, 2013 You did 'Finally' without even asking "Does Leica add any value to the Leica brand version over and above the Panasonic version for the extra amount Leica charges over the Panasonic version?" If there is no "exact" Panasonic version, then no need to ask the question. Hello Bad Bob, as I wrote in the post you commented on, I have asked certain questions to myself and myself only, as a means to articulate my point of view. I do not care whether Leica adds any value to its brand or not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guytou Posted July 12, 2013 Share #132 Posted July 12, 2013 (edited) Perhaps somebody who has one can take a similar picture. But who do we know that might oblige...? Regards, Bill It would be simpler if our friend Badbob showed us to a photograph of the sole of his D-Lux 6 G-Star... Guy Edited July 12, 2013 by Guytou Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted July 12, 2013 Share #133 Posted July 12, 2013 :D:D:D Regards, Bill Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aesop Posted July 12, 2013 Share #134 Posted July 12, 2013 ...well, in the absence of relevant photos and suchlike, I hope this little number helps improve our overall understanding of branding. Huh, what do you mean "Was ist das?". It is clearly a Leica. Can you not see the red dot and the inscription? Pfff. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/207725-dlux6-vs-lx7-dont-laugh/?do=findComment&comment=2372959'>More sharing options...
Northwest Wanderer Posted July 13, 2013 Share #135 Posted July 13, 2013 Badboob has made it clear he is just a troll. Has nothing better to do than act like a jerk on an otherwise enjoyable site. Pity the troll. Let's just ignore the idiot and go back to intelligent discussions. Don't feed the troll. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest badbob Posted July 13, 2013 Share #136 Posted July 13, 2013 Badboob has made it clear he is just a troll. Has nothing better to do than act like a jerk on an otherwise enjoyable site. Pity the troll. Let's just ignore the idiot and go back to intelligent discussions. Don't feed the troll. Just think - if Leica took that attitude toward their customers they would be out of business. Maybe you need a course in how to treat customers to retain their loyalty. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Martin Posted July 13, 2013 Share #137 Posted July 13, 2013 I think pretty much everyone on here is a supporter or fan and probably user of Leica products. A great many have invested large sums of money, and some depend on the company to make a living . None are having a go at Leica from what I've read. The only thing Leica seem to have omitted to do is reply to you !! . I've finished with this thread now , it's gone round in circles as we all knew the answer at the start . 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guytou Posted July 13, 2013 Share #138 Posted July 13, 2013 I reiterate however : it is very regrettable that Badbob of us does not give here a photograph of the sole of its "D-Lux 6 by G-Star"… : Confused: Guy Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest badbob Posted July 13, 2013 Share #139 Posted July 13, 2013 I think pretty much everyone on here is a supporter or fan and probably user of Leica products. A great many have invested large sums of money, and some depend on the company to make a living . None are having a go at Leica from what I've read. The only thing Leica seem to have omitted to do is reply to you !! . I've finished with this thread now , it's gone round in circles as we all knew the answer at the start . And you have typed all of these messages at great length for what purpose? To generate friendship and good relations with Leica customers? No, you haven't done that. What you have done is gone to great lengths to service your own personal ego and that of your "friends", and the customer be damned. Oh, but that wasn't my intent, you say. I was only responding to the customer's question. Well, here's a clue: You didn't have the answer - you never did - all you had was rumor and speculation. But rather than admit that, you tried forcing it on the customer, and when you saw that that wasn't going well, what then? Then you started with the accusations. You have spent all of this time doing one and only one thing: Asserting and then attempting to defend your own ego. This is the worst possible demonstration of customer relations I've ever seen in a forum claiming to advocate Leica products. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest badbob Posted July 13, 2013 Share #140 Posted July 13, 2013 I reiterate however : it is very regrettable that Badbob of us does not give here a photograph of the sole of its "D-Lux 6 by G-Star"… : Confused: Guy Is this what you mean? http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/members/65005-albums5928.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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