dwbell Posted June 17, 2013 Share #181 Posted June 17, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) You would force them to speed up the development process at the cost of quality? Anyway, with a development cycle of approx. 3 years the most we can expect in 2014 will be an M-Typ 240 -2. Goodness no! That could result in buggy firmware and dodgy mechanical quality.... Seriously though, just pointing out that photokina isn't exactly an X factor that you can't plan for, and isn't limited to Leica as a camera company. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted June 17, 2013 Share #182 Posted June 17, 2013 You do have a point that it is a known factor, however all camera makers seem to have a tendency to cram all announcements into that timeslot, irrespective of the stage of development. Leica is clearly not immune, but better than most. They did not pack the XVario in, for instance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted June 17, 2013 Share #183 Posted June 17, 2013 Although I just did a very cursory google search for new cameras announced at pk2012 and I'm guessing, but they're all very readily available, and have been for a while, haven't they? Top 10 Best New Cameras At Photokina 2012 Not so with our chosen brand, sadly.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 17, 2013 Share #184 Posted June 17, 2013 Well, maybe I should have added "leisurely" in my post somewhere... Or "frantic" applying to the rest.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianjones66 Posted June 17, 2013 Share #185 Posted June 17, 2013 Although I just did a very cursory google search for new cameras announced at pk2012 and I'm guessing, but they're all very readily available, and have been for a while, haven't they? Top 10 Best New Cameras At Photokina 2012 Not so with our chosen brand, sadly.... I only know of the delay in getting a Sony RX1 when I wanted one. I am sure they are more readily available now but for while they were hard to get. Just good to get a little perspective and it doesn't only affect Leica. I am sure it must be as frustrating for Leica as they want a satisfied customer base that has cameras in their hands and buying lenses for those cameras. Of course if you already have a body then this may not apply. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 17, 2013 Share #186 Posted June 17, 2013 I don't believe Leica have not told any lies, but I do believe they have not told the entire truth. Demand is one of the factors affecting deliveries to customers, and certainly the example of the X Vario affirms that with low demand Leica is able to stock the shelves, but it is not the only factor and the lack of ongoing worldwide shipments with any sort of regularity points to a more complex answer. OK so in another words you don't have a clue and neither do i. I can just quote what Leica said exactly again and confirm that adding to the text with negative intent can be of no help at all. The enormous demand has by far exceeded our expectations, with the consequence that delays in deliveries can unfortunately not be avoided. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted June 17, 2013 Author Share #187 Posted June 17, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) OK so in another words you don't have a clue and neither do i. I can just quote what Leica said exactly again and confirm that adding to the text with negative intent can be of no help at all. Well actually I do think I have a clue, namely that the production output is well below normal and so the official explanation from Leica is at best incomplete and at worst marketing spin. Do you have a plausible explanation ICT for why major dealers around the world have received only one or two cameras in the nearly four months since release? I also want to clarify my earlier quote, which I see has a typo on my part. The statement should read, "I don't believe Leica have told any lies, but I do believe they have not told the entire truth." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 17, 2013 Share #188 Posted June 17, 2013 Well i missed my doctorate in shortage management sorry but i know enough about it to say that it never makes everybody happy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted June 17, 2013 Share #189 Posted June 17, 2013 I see no revelations coming from this thread so I am going to go out and shoot images. Bye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianjones66 Posted June 17, 2013 Share #190 Posted June 17, 2013 I see no revelations coming from this thread so I am going to go out and shoot images. Bye. I agree, we all have our opinions, right or wrong and we can all continue to speculate. Only Leica knows for sure and we wait and see, and in the meantime we have great equipment to go and take pictures. Happy shooting everyone and for keeping the debate lively and hopefully not personal. Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Woods Posted June 17, 2013 Share #191 Posted June 17, 2013 ....and in the meantime we have great equipment to go and take pictures.... Brian Ummm..... Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth3kpl Posted June 17, 2013 Share #192 Posted June 17, 2013 Do you have a plausible explanation ICT for why major dealers around the world have received only one or two cameras in the nearly four months since release? Is it because they all have to pass through the hands of Steve Huff first? Just askin' Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunil Posted June 17, 2013 Share #193 Posted June 17, 2013 I agree, we all have our opinions, right or wrong and we can all continue to speculate. Only Leica knows for sure and we wait and see, and in the meantime we have great equipment to go and take pictures. Happy shooting everyone and for keeping the debate lively and hopefully not personal. Brian Say what? I'm waiting for my great equipment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRich Posted June 17, 2013 Share #194 Posted June 17, 2013 I am one of those people who would like to switch from a DSLR to Leica. Since I have placed my order in March this year, I know I have to wait a couple of months. But if I read all the different threads in this forum, I'm afraid that I will get hold of my Leica M sometimes in 2014. Nonetheless, does anyone know whether there was the same situation when the Leica M9 was launched? I ask because last year the Product Manager of Leica answered in an interview with Leica Switzerland the following, when being asked, if there will be waiting periods as with the M9. "We were extremely surprised by the demand when the M9 was launched - but now we are better prepared. The production capacity will be increased compared. But at the beginning there will still be waiting periods of several months." You can find the whole interview in German here: Courrier Nr.: 93 - Publikationen - Aktuell - Main - Leica Camera AG - Schweiz - Leica - Hasselblad - Panasonic - Linhof - Zeiss I just hope they will catch up with the production! Because they don't seem to be better prepared! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 17, 2013 Share #195 Posted June 17, 2013 Yes - it was the same when the M9 was launched - possibly worse - and the M8 too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted June 17, 2013 Share #196 Posted June 17, 2013 Nonetheless, does anyone know whether there was the same situation when the Leica M9 was launched? The M9 was presented and launched in September, 2009. In Spring 2010, some customers reported they were waiting for no less than half a year! A few customers got theirs within a couple of days or weeks but most waited a few months. I ordered mine in January, 2010 and got it delivered in March, after an eight-week wait. Later I learnt that I was comparatively lucky; some customers (located elsewhere in the world) ordered long before I did and received their camera after I did. So yes, the delivery situation of the M9 was a mess during the first six months or so. And don't ask for the availability of lenses ... Regarding the M (Typ 240) ... in November, 2012, it was said that the new M's hardware was finished, and the production thereof was running at full throttle so when the firmware would be finished eventually, sales would start immediately from large stocks. In hindsight, it seems Leica's stocks had been just sufficient to provide all Leica dealers around the world with one demo sample each Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianjones1 Posted June 18, 2013 Share #197 Posted June 18, 2013 Say what? I'm waiting for my great equipment. Apologies, my post was meant to say "if you have already have a great camera" (be it an M8, M9 or other...) then you can get out there and still be taking pictures. Of course if you don't and are waiting for your M240 then I do understand having waited for all my gear over the last few years. Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stef63 Posted June 18, 2013 Share #198 Posted June 18, 2013 The M9 was presented and launched in September, 2009. In Spring 2010, some customers reported they were waiting for no less than half a year! A few customers got theirs within a couple of days or weeks but most waited a few months. I ordered mine in January, 2010 and got it delivered in March, after an eight-week wait. Later I learnt that I was comparatively lucky; some customers (located elsewhere in the world) ordered long before I did and received their camera after I did. So yes, the delivery situation of the M9 was a mess during the first six months or so. And don't ask for the availability of lenses ... Ah yes, remember those M9's flying into Google maps? There was a fun and long thread on this forum about the first year deliveries of the M9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikP Posted June 18, 2013 Share #199 Posted June 18, 2013 Ah yes, remember those M9's flying into Google maps? There was a fun and long thread on this forum about the first year deliveries of the M9. Interesting - can this be repeated with the new M Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Helm Posted June 18, 2013 Share #200 Posted June 18, 2013 I dont think the M9 roll out was similar to the current M240 situation. I ordered my M9 in December, 3 months after launch, and got mine in early March. At this time my dealer had sold about 20 M9s and another dealer in Copenhagen had sold an equivalent amount. This time they have not even had a demo-version yet, and only 2 copies have past through the official Danish importer. My dealer ordered 50 copies shortly after the M240 launch, in the hope they could sell as many eventually. The two situations look widely different from here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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