brunom Posted May 30, 2013 Share #881 Â Posted May 30, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yes, as long as it has the Leica red dot all sins are washed away. I've seen this with the D-Lux and V-Lux... Â On a slightly different tangent, don't forget the 'big red blur' [ of a Ferrari flashing by ] :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted May 30, 2013 Posted May 30, 2013 Hi brunom, Take a look here Mini M? [MERGED] AKA X-Vario. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Paul J Posted May 30, 2013 Share #882 Â Posted May 30, 2013 Oh the woes of a privileged modern man. Â BREAKING NEWS. Â World in crisis as a small group of extremist, privileged enthusiasts riot in cyber-streets for a number of days after a small camera company makes a high priced consumer camera with a slow zoom. The little known camera company, who's name I can't quite pronounce, posted pictures on Facebook which resulted in the mildly violent uproar once people discovered the camera was not living up to their vivid imaginations. Â An urgent Cobra meeting has been called by David Cameron in order to discuss bringing the company to justice for a number of heinous crimes. Firstly in not being forth coming with a camera that someone wants, for not developing a pint sized fast zoom covering the APSC sensor and also for blasphemy after naming the camera incorrectly as an M and causing such wide spread terror. Â Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted May 30, 2013 Share #883 Â Posted May 30, 2013 What is more worrying is the use of "M" for mirrorless instead of rangefinder, as if Leica were prepared to replace the optical RF by an EVF of a hybrid finder in forthcoming M bodies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted May 30, 2013 Share #884  Posted May 30, 2013 I have had several Chinese people ask me about Leica because they so vehemently hate the Japanese that they refuse to buy any of their cameras  I guess Samsung must be doing well ? unless they have something against the Koreans as well. The NX is a very good and often overlooked series of cameras, albeit a rip off of the Nex series.  If this is the case, and we know that China is a massive market, then Leica should be getting into the mainstream, and fast, seems like an untapped goldmine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted May 30, 2013 Share #885 Â Posted May 30, 2013 You all realize the mean household income in China is around $10,000.00 per year so I don't think a drove of luxury camera equipment is in their future, any more than in the past, no matter how many billion people there are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran D Posted May 30, 2013 Share #886 Â Posted May 30, 2013 You all realize the mean household income in China is around $10,000.00 per year so I don't think a drove of luxury camera equipment is in their future, any more than in the past, no matter how many billion people there are. Â Not sure I agree with your assumption. There are plenty of urban Chinese who love and buy luxury goods. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl G Posted May 30, 2013 Share #887  Posted May 30, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) So basically, I happen to believe the new camera will be a zoom X with Video and many of us just don't see a need for this camera in addition to a M. No one has mentioned that the slow zoom might be complemented by a firmware sensor tweak that gains an iso stop in performance. It's a possibility although probably won't happen.  All in all, very few on the forum or in this thread are the intended audience.  Stephem's points are very valid. I can see this being moderately successful in boutique luxury camera sales in Asia, the Middle East, and Western Markets for the same group that are designer driven consumers. It also seems a natural to expand the Leica à la carte' program and soon there will be Skittles colored 107s featured in chic magazines along side other "hot" designer items in the 2013-2014 cycles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted May 30, 2013 Share #888 Â Posted May 30, 2013 . So long as Leica still creates high quality cameras and lenses for "us," does it really matter to you if they go after other buyers who do not fit the traditional Leica demographic? Â The problem (for me) is that Leica does not presently sell a high-quality camera for my uses. I'm an R user. A camera derived from the M Type 240 with a responsive, built-in EVF and without the rangefinder would be much more suitable for my purposes. I don't care what it's called. Â Not sure I agree with your assumption. There are plenty of urban Chinese who love and buy luxury goods. Â I agree. The average income isn't as important as a sufficient number of higher income households. Leicas have never been priced for the average household. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalArts 99 Posted May 30, 2013 Share #889  Posted May 30, 2013 You all realize the mean household income in China is around $10,000.00 per year so I don't think a drove of luxury camera equipment is in their future, any more than in the past, no matter how many billion people there are.  I don't think that high end auto makers and other luxury goods manufacturers believe that to be a proper assessment.  "Despite a populace dominated by peasants on a subsistence income, China is now the third largest luxury goods market in the world, accounting for 12 percent of sales worldwide. Analysts predict that, as China’s average per capita income grows, it will become the world's second-largest purchaser of luxury goods by 2015."  "13 percent of Chinese, about 170 million people, regularly buy top-tier luxury brands."  170 million people (and growing) with money to spend on luxury brands isn't a small segment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marac Posted May 30, 2013 Share #890 Â Posted May 30, 2013 Panasonic M It was inevitable in the end. Â To me, shooting with a Leica is all about using a 'Rangefinder' system and superb MF lenses. You know? Leica .... Rangefinder .... Works for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted May 30, 2013 Share #891 Â Posted May 30, 2013 To me, shooting with a Leica is all about using a 'Rangefinder' system and superb MF lenses. You know? Leica .... Rangefinder .... Works for me. Â The thing is, that's not _all_ that Leica as a company is about. I prefer using M's too, that doesn't preclude me from thinking that the company should offer other choices for those that want them. The M series of cameras isn't being replaced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted May 30, 2013 Share #892  Posted May 30, 2013 Oh the woes of a privileged modern man. BREAKING NEWS.  World in crisis as a small group of extremist, privileged enthusiasts riot in cyber-streets for a number of days after a small camera company makes a high priced consumer camera with a slow zoom. The little known camera company, who's name I can't quite pronounce, posted pictures on Facebook which resulted in the mildly violent uproar once people discovered the camera was not living up to their vivid imaginations.  An urgent Cobra meeting has been called by David Cameron in order to discuss bringing the company to justice for a number of heinous crimes. Firstly in not being forth coming with a camera that someone wants, for not developing a pint sized fast zoom covering the APSC sensor and also for blasphemy after naming the camera incorrectly as an M and causing such wide spread terror.  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205247-mini-m-merged-aka-x-vario/?do=findComment&comment=2334466'>More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted May 30, 2013 Share #893  Posted May 30, 2013 I guess Samsung must be doing well ? unless they have something against the Koreans as well. The NX is a very good and often overlooked series of cameras, albeit a rip off of the Nex series. If this is the case, and we know that China is a massive market, then Leica should be getting into the mainstream, and fast, seems like an untapped goldmine  I believe Samsung does very well in China. This hatred of all things Japanese has long been simmering, and many still talk about "The War of Japanese Aggression" (World War 2) as if it ended a few years ago. This is compounded by numerous Chinese TV soap operas set during the war where Japanese soldiers make Klingons look like nuns. Last year when things really got tense over the DiaoYu Islands some restaurants started displaying signs that read "No dogs or Japanese allowed". One young man I know recently quit a very nice job with a Japanese pharmaceutical company because of all the pressure he was receiving from friends and family. Chinese can and do still buy plenty of Japanese products, but given a choice for an alternative quality product at a similar price they often choose the later.  As for Leica tapping into the Chinese market I believe that's exactly what they have been doing for these past few years. Hong Kong has four Leica Factory stores now, including one at the airport. Another new Leica store opened last year just across the border in Shenzhen. And this isn't counting all of the Leica boutiques and authorized dealer shops around town. Is there any other city in the world that has so many Leica stores? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erlingmm Posted May 30, 2013 Share #894  Posted May 30, 2013 Not sure if this is real or not First image of the Leica Mini M!!! | Mirrorless Rumors  I think it looks great. The user will frequently be asked if it is an M, and will get the "M aura" without the complexity of manual focus etc.  For the affluent tourist and family photographer, it will be a great camera in A mode with auto ISO. CMOS high ISO performance will compensate for weak aperture at 70mm. In manual mode, the advanced user can override with manual focus etc.  It is a completely logical extension to the X2, and priced only 500 USD above. If the X2 sells, this will sell better.  Is it worth €2450? Not to me. But the Leica stores need more models, more choice. This will probably not be the last new model in the near future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted May 30, 2013 Share #895  Posted May 30, 2013 I don't think that high end auto makers and other luxury goods manufacturers believe that to be a proper assessment.  "Despite a populace dominated by peasants on a subsistence income, China is now the third largest luxury goods market in the world, accounting for 12 percent of sales worldwide. Analysts predict that, as China’s average per capita income grows, it will become the world's second-largest purchaser of luxury goods by 2015."  Luxury goods buying in China dropped over 50% this year.  The latest report from the World Luxury Association also shows that from January 20 to February 20 of this year -- during peak gift-purchasing time for the Chinese New Year -- the Chinese luxury market consumption totaled $830 million, which represents a steep 53% drop in sales in comparison with the same period last year, the China Business Times reported. (source)  But perhaps Leica is not strictly a luxury good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted May 30, 2013 Share #896  Posted May 30, 2013 The teaser shot differs from the leak shot. If you look at the top deck on both there is a pronounced 45 degree bevel on the Leica image that seems missing on the leak shot. There also seems to be mic holes (?) in the bevel of the Leica shot that are placed elsewhere on the leak image. An early example perhaps? Or a sign of a fake?  Not to pick on you personally, gerard - but I don't understand the idea that many have expressed that Leica's teaser and the purported leaked fact sheet somehow differ significantly.  Given that the views are from different angles (the teaser from a lower and more front-on view, while the leaked image is from above and an oblique angle, and shows the other side of the lens/body) - they look very similar for the limited area that the teaser reveals.  Both show - a swatch of leatherette, topped by a black top plate, and a double curved chrome band where the "lens" meets the leatherette.  In the teaser, I don't see any bevel and microphone holes - just the inside back of the box behind the camera, plus jpg artifacts. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205247-mini-m-merged-aka-x-vario/?do=findComment&comment=2334483'>More sharing options...
pico Posted May 30, 2013 Share #897 Â Posted May 30, 2013 At last! A left-hand Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonki-M Posted May 30, 2013 Share #898 Â Posted May 30, 2013 You all realize the mean household income in China is around $10,000.00 per year so I don't think a drove of luxury camera equipment is in their future, any more than in the past, no matter how many billion people there are. Â unlike Europe, America, and the UK where the majority of the people live contently in the middle class, one thing you can count on in Asian countries is that when someone is rich, they are RICH. the disparity of wealth is extremely skewed. But in all honesty, in terms of luxury products, Leica is actually quite cheap in comparison to say, an expensive Patek, a Ferrari.....a diamond... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iedei Posted May 30, 2013 Share #899 Â Posted May 30, 2013 You all realize the mean household income in China is around $10,000.00 per year so I don't think a drove of luxury camera equipment is in their future, any more than in the past, no matter how many billion people there are. Â you're kidding right? Â the luxury goods market in China is absolutely BOOMING right now. Why do you think most manufacturers prioritize the Chinese market as the top priority these days when it comes to premium goods? This applies from everything ranging from watches to luxury automobiles to jewelry to cameras.....China is THE market of today.....currently it is estimated that 20% of global luxury goods sales are from China. The USA takes a backseat these days... Â mean income is irrelevant... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted May 30, 2013 Share #900  Posted May 30, 2013 you're kidding right? the luxury goods market in China is absolutely BOOMING right now.  Quite the contrary according to this: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m9-forum/285598-mini-m.html#post2413892 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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