cirke Posted May 17, 2014 Share #281 Posted May 17, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) I had a bad experience doing that. I sold most when Leica did not go digital, moving into a Canon 10 D plus lenses. It cost me quite a bit buying Leica back a few years later. it's ok with the M240 + EVF I can wait Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tookaphotoof Posted May 17, 2014 Share #282 Posted May 17, 2014 Although the evf can be of use sometimes with critical framing, I prefer the ovf. Yesterday I had the opportunity to play with the XE1 as one of my friends bought one. it's a great little camera, but at the same time, because of the evf, it's not for me. Anyways, I tried quick focussing / framing with a 28mm and the evf on the M240 and found it simply useless for that purpose. Too bad, because even without glasses it's a pain to see the 28mm frame lines on the latest M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbl Posted May 19, 2014 Share #283 Posted May 19, 2014 Completely agree. I bought the EVF when I bought my M, but I've used it twice and never actually in the field. I just can't work with EVFs. -jbl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted May 19, 2014 Share #284 Posted May 19, 2014 Judging by my little Fuji X-E2, current EVFs have no significant delay and focus magnification allows to focus quickly and accurately most manual lenses including wides (21, 24 & 28mm in my limited experience) at incredibly slow apertures like f/8 or f/11. I don't know how they work with such wide Dofs but they work, at least mine does you can trust me... I still prefer rangefinders personally but criticising EVFs will become harder and harder with modern cameras. For me its still easy to criticize them...even with the EM1 which seems to have an excellent EVF I feel disconnected. However I only speak for myself and I have no doubts that other people feel different and prefer EVF. Plus it might also depend what subjects one is "shooting". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted May 20, 2014 Share #285 Posted May 20, 2014 And it is still impossible to view anything but blown highlights and black shadows in EVFs (at least mines) if there is too much contrast in the frame. This alone is a sufficient reason to prefer optical viewfinders IMHO but even if this flaw were fixed, rangefinders would remain the only cameras allowing to compose and focus outside the lens anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 20, 2014 Share #286 Posted May 20, 2014 I find this whole discussion of the merits of various EVFs very akin to discussing the taste of different brands of canned soup. One might be slightly less distasteful than the other,but they are all quite unlike home-made. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdash Posted May 20, 2014 Share #287 Posted May 20, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hmmmm..being a camera slut it can be confusing. I use Nikon, Fuji and of course Leica. There are times when I forget that the framelines are there for a purpose, not just decoration! `Wide angle not a problem, but the longer lenses are a definite "oops" Being s BF has consequences. Regards Robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbl Posted May 20, 2014 Share #288 Posted May 20, 2014 Even on my X100s, which supposedly has one of the better EVFs, I really can't stand it. It's funny too because the X100s has something of a fatal flaw IMO that it can't correct for parallax or the actual focus point until you focus. That causes weird cases when you effectively back focus at infinity. Drives me nuts but I still prefer the OVF. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted May 20, 2014 Share #289 Posted May 20, 2014 Even on my X100s, which supposedly has one of the better EVFs, I really can't stand it. One of the better EVF in its day, but it has since been superceded by the latest Olympus EVF and now by Fuji’s X-T1. Still not the same as an optical viewfinder but it’s getting close. It's funny too because the X100s has something of a fatal flaw IMO that it can't correct for parallax or the actual focus point until you focus. That’s the issue you inevitably run into when using an optical viewfinder with an autofocus camera. Won’t happen with a rangefinder but then you don’t have AF. Take your pick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbl Posted May 20, 2014 Share #290 Posted May 20, 2014 That’s the issue you inevitably run into when using an optical viewfinder with an autofocus camera. Won’t happen with a rangefinder but then you don’t have AF. Take your pick. That’s what I realized when I started thinking about why Leica doesn’t have that issue, then I realized it was the manual focus bit that makes the whole thing possible. Hah. -jbl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennifer Posted May 21, 2014 Share #291 Posted May 21, 2014 IMO, whilst realising opinions do vary, the Sony A7/A7R EVF is pretty good. Anyone who is in two minds over EVF's in general should at least give the Sony a try in a camera store. Saying that I've just bought a M240 and am planning on disposing of my Sony but certainly not because I was dissatisfied with its EVF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
neli Posted May 27, 2014 Share #292 Posted May 27, 2014 The evf kind of expanded the system. I generally use the ovf, but really appreciate the Evf with the nocti for focussing and the 21 for composition. Focusing the 135 was never a problem but I don't seem to use it much close up, but I can see where the Evf might be relevant for the long lenses. Maybe, Evf for slow focussing and precise composition , ovf for street and fast focussing and intuitive composition. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted May 27, 2014 Share #293 Posted May 27, 2014 I shoot EVF in any conditions and it works perfectly all the time, I shall never come back to OVF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted May 27, 2014 Author Share #294 Posted May 27, 2014 The EFV is great for fine focusing the Noctilux in low light, when you just can’t see the RF patch. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 2, 2016 Share #295 Posted April 2, 2016 The EFV is great for fine focusing the Noctilux in low light, when you just can’t see the RF patch. Wilson Absolutely correct, it's horses for courses, the EVF surpasses the OVF in some situations and vica versa, to discount one over the another is just not valid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted April 2, 2016 Share #296 Posted April 2, 2016 I use the EVF when using: fast lenses wide open in low light, 21 & 24mm lenses (my widest) where I need very precise framing, the 3.4/135 APO-Telyt wide open, and my 28-90 Vario-Elmarit-R. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
W124 Posted April 2, 2016 Share #297 Posted April 2, 2016 Hello, I like the higher acuracy for composing image, especially in close distances with the 35mm M lenses or using ND grad filters. And of course it is the best way to use non M lenses. But I found out that using the focus magnifire to focus large tele lenses is much more difficult if the camera is programed to shoot DNG only! I posted some samples in German part of the forum. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/257483-evf-2-und-einstellung-dng/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted April 2, 2016 Share #298 Posted April 2, 2016 Hard to imagine what is going on to make focusing more difficult depending on what happens after you press the shutter but physicists tell us we may need to abandon cause and effect if we are to reconcile relativity and quantum effects. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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