Jeff S Posted April 21, 2013 Share #61 Posted April 21, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Good to read about folks enjoying and working to improve their printing. For me, it brings the process full circle (well, almost, since matting and framing is also key), and provides motivation for me to go out and make better pics worthy of the time and effort. Wilson, I encourage you to use and compare the Canson Platine to the Baryta Photographique from your packet. It's nice to have a couple of papers within a given family that provide subtle differences in texture and warmth to accommodate different images. [The Platine will better satisfy those who insist on absolutely no OBAs, although I'm not going to back off the Baryta Photographique for my arsenal, regardless the minimal brighteners.] I'll be curious to learn the effect of the Pixma gloss optimizer on these papers; that might provide an additional benefit for you, beyond the extra black ink cartridge. For the last few years I primarily used Hahnemuhle papers to provide that range of tone and texture, using Photo Rag Baryta (315 gm, a thick and heavy paper) for whitest, and Photo Rag Pearl (320 gm, even heavier) for a warmer effect. (Both are 100% cotton with no OBAs.) The Canson papers provide similar variety, but I often prefer their look, and their handling (feed, curl, etc.) is better than the Hahnemuhle in my experience (though machines vary, and platen gap settings, etc. can make a big difference). Tools and materials for digital printing have come a long way in a short time. I reluctantly gave up several decades of darkroom use in 2009, but I have no regrets and miss it less and less each year. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wlaidlaw Posted April 21, 2013 Share #62 Posted April 21, 2013 Jeff, While my HP B9180 was still working in France, Ilford Galerie papers were very much my favourite but they never worked very well in my previous Pixma Pro 9500. The results were nearly always too high contrast. I am guessing the inks in the Pro-1, will be formulated the same as the Pro 9500, so that may apply again for Ilford papers, albeit the droplet size is considerably smaller. Your comments on the Canson papers are therefore very helpful. However it now looks like it will be at least two months until I get my study back to try the Pro-1 Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abphoto Posted April 21, 2013 Share #63 Posted April 21, 2013 I printed an entire exhibit which is up now in the gallery at Calumet Photographic on Cherry Ave, Goose Island Chicago (shameless plug) be up the rest of April, 35 prints with my Epson 2880 and Epson Exhibition Fiber paper and was pleased with the results. As mentioned ink jet and silver gelatin are different and look different but I was quite impressed as were many that attended the opening with the look of the Exhibition paper and the images which 90% shown in the exhibit were from the Henri.... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/202788-printing-monochrom-images/?do=findComment&comment=2304069'>More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted April 21, 2013 Share #64 Posted April 21, 2013 Jeff, While my HP B9180 was still working in France, Ilford Galerie papers were very much my favourite but they never worked very well in my previous Pixma Pro 9500. The results were nearly always too high contrast. I am guessing the inks in the Pro-1, will be formulated the same as the Pro 9500, so that may apply again for Ilford papers, albeit the droplet size is considerably smaller. Your comments on the Canson papers are therefore very helpful. However it now looks like it will be at least two months until I get my study back to try the Pro-1 Gold Fibre Silk is very close to Canson's Baryta Photographique in many ways, so if the former doesn't work, the latter will be a good substitute; I've grown to prefer it, but I still stock IGFS for occasional use, particularly for color. If you go the Canson route, as I mentioned, the Platine may offer a somewhat less contrasty option (and, for color work, a somewhat smaller color gamut, so some colors may be more muted (less saturated), which can be a plus or minus depending on your intent and preferences.) Bummer you have to wait so long. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted April 21, 2013 Author Share #65 Posted April 21, 2013 I printed an entire exhibit which is up now in the gallery at Calumet Photographic on Cherry Ave, Goose Island Chicago (shameless plug) be up the rest of April, 35 prints with my Epson 2880 and Epson Exhibition Fiber paper and was pleased with the results. As mentioned ink jet and silver gelatin are different and look different but I was quite impressed as were many that attended the opening with the look of the Exhibition paper and the images which 90% shown in the exhibit were from the Henri.... I'd love to get down to see your exhibit, but damn I hate driving into Chicago on the expressway. Whenever I make that drive I'm left with the feeling that I was lucky to get back home alive. Congratulations on the exhibit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar Posted April 21, 2013 Share #66 Posted April 21, 2013 Would you mind sharing what printer settings you used with the Canson? I should have mine tomorrow. Thanks! Here they are..I'm not expert but this is how I set it up in LR 4 Print & Resolution = 360dpi Print Shaping = Standard Media Type = Glossy Profile = Icc for Bartya Intent = Perceptual Print Settings = 16 bit ouput Output Resolution = Superphoto 2880 dpi High Speed. Flip Horizontal and Finest detail = all off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 22, 2013 Share #67 Posted April 22, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I just made a test print on Tecco Baryta using a Canon Pro 9500 (thanks again, Wilson:)) and I am quite impressed, both with the rendering and structure. The slightly cream colour of the paper is much to my taste too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 22, 2013 Share #68 Posted April 22, 2013 I just made a test print on Tecco Baryta using a Canon Pro 9500 (thanks again, Wilson:)) and I am quite impressed, both with the rendering and structure. The slightly cream colour of the paper is much to my taste too. Jaap, I hope you are getting the inks cheaply! You are going to need them. I thoroughly enjoyed the small amount of the Savigny les Beaune I had, before the female gannets descended on it. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 22, 2013 Share #69 Posted April 22, 2013 Original ink 10.50 Euro a cartridge... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erudolph Posted April 22, 2013 Share #70 Posted April 22, 2013 FWIW, I have been print almost solely on Ilford Gold Fibre Silk. Recently I made a couple of B&W prints on Canson Platine Fiber Rag and Canson Baryta Photagraphique. Looking at them side by side, the Ilford seems to fall somewhere between the two Canson papers, being warmer than the Baryta and slightly cooler than the Platine. Seen in some light it does have a slight greenish cast, but not troubling to me. Both Canson papers have better neutrality. All prints were made with IP9 on an Epson 3880. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 22, 2013 Share #71 Posted April 22, 2013 Original ink 10.50 Euro a cartridge... Jaap, Even at that price, my guess is that you may be looking for bulk bottles and a chip resetter before too long - the hypodermic, I am guessing you already have a plentiful supply. It is not so much the ink it uses on prints but the amounts it wastes on head cleaning. I found it was a bit better fully powered down, as even on stand-by, you could hear it fire up from time to time, pouring money down the drain. When I gave up on it about a year ago, you could not get Lucia equivalent inks in bulk but I see you can now. The cost of a set of 500ml bottles is not much more than a set of cartridges (I was paying around £11-50 per cart). Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar Posted April 22, 2013 Share #72 Posted April 22, 2013 The Baryta paper seems like it will be my standard choice as it's perfect for the majority of what I do. I am looking for one other paper for the few times I need something warmer. Suggestions very welcome and again this is only for black and white photography. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar Posted April 22, 2013 Share #73 Posted April 22, 2013 anyone have experience with Inkpress Pro Baryta Warm Tone? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dant Posted April 23, 2013 Share #74 Posted April 23, 2013 EP R2000 poor to so so EP 3880 Nice, but no gloss optimizer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted April 23, 2013 Share #75 Posted April 23, 2013 I've been using Ilford Gold Fibre Silk on a Pixma Pro 9500 MarkII. With the system properly calibrated the results are spectacular. I've ordered a pack of the Gold Fibre Mono to try. Does anyone have experience with this paper? I think the Canon printers are unfairly underrated, and I prefer the print results to the Epsom. However, the ink cartridge prices are outrageous . Could someone expand on buying ink in bulk, cartridge refilling, chip resetting, etc? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted April 23, 2013 Share #76 Posted April 23, 2013 Not with MM but M9. Epson 3880 and Harman by Hahnemuhle Gloss Baryta. Not really glossy. More like a luster finish. Photo black ink, not matte. But this whole subject is something that requires personal trial and error. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted April 23, 2013 Share #77 Posted April 23, 2013 I forgot to mention that I've had quite a few digital files printed for framing on silver gelatine stock through a local master printer using the De Vere system: digital service DE VERE 504DS Digital Enlarger Gives the best of both worlds Has anyone else printed with this system? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick_S Posted April 23, 2013 Share #78 Posted April 23, 2013 Has anyone else printed with this system? This digital enlarger is something I had hoped would come down in price, but the cost remains out of reach for most home use. These days I don't see why some kind of A3 sized flat-bed device with LED light source with 300 pixels per inch could not do the job, by contact printing onto photographic paper at a fraction of the cost. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 23, 2013 Share #79 Posted April 23, 2013 I've been using Ilford Gold Fibre Silk on a Pixma Pro 9500 MarkII. With the system properly calibrated the results are spectacular. I've ordered a pack of the Gold Fibre Mono to try. Does anyone have experience with this paper? I think the Canon printers are unfairly underrated, and I prefer the print results to the Epsom. However, the ink cartridge prices are outrageous . Could someone expand on buying ink in bulk, cartridge refilling, chip resetting, etc? Mark, Here for ink - PIGMENT INK REFILL SET COMPATIBLE FOR CANON PIXMA PRO9500 MK II CARTRIDGES CISS | eBay or Canon Pro 9500 (Mk I & Mk II) : Bulk ink Canon compatible ink set (100ml x10 bottle set) Here for chip resetter - PGI-9 Chip Resetter for Canon Pixma Pro 9500 cartridges [uSB Powered] | eBay Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 23, 2013 Share #80 Posted April 23, 2013 With sadly wedding photographers going to the wall everywhere, you can sometimes pick up digital enlargers amazingly cheaply nowadays. There were a De Vere and a Horsemann going locally at the end of last year for around £300 and £700, with no takers. The problem for colour is that you need a big darkroom and to have a substantial throughput to make the chemicals economical, as their mixed life is quite short. Most B&W chemicals last longer and are cheaper to begin with. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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