chris_tribble Posted November 13, 2012 Author Share #221 Posted November 13, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wlaidlaw Posted November 13, 2012 Share #222 Posted November 13, 2012 Very useful if the lens heats up enough to show expansion - more that 100 degrees C say? Or if you are travelling at more than 95% of light speed and the lens shows relativistic contraction. The rubbishy M to mFT adapter I have bought is far too thin and all my lenses are focusing way beyond infinity with it. Better than too thick though! Any recommendations for a decent M to mFT adapter from personal experience? I have modified the cheap adapter, by tapping a jewellers screwdriver into the slots in the bayonet lugs to widen them. That has tightened the lens fit considerably. I could see I was not the first to do this, so this is obviously a 'factory' adjustment. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted November 13, 2012 Share #223 Posted November 13, 2012 The 3.4 180 APO is an interesting lens to look at. Quite a few around. A user-grade one should be relatively affordable (750-1250 $ range). The image quality is beyond reproach. If you consider one, get it now. It is going to be very popular on the M. I recently picked an APO 180/3.4 Telyt-R near the high end of your price range in very good condition. It's smallish size is what has impressed me. Have been playing around with it +22228 on my GXR to see how well I can focus it on that A12 Mount. Seems OK, but the white shimmering for my eyes is not as good as I remember the red shimmering on the M at Photokina. Frankly at under 1 lb it feels like my APO 135/3.4 M lens on the camera even with the adapter. I was wondering if anyone has experience with the 3.4 versus the 2.8 APO? What is the quality difference? Substantial? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 13, 2012 Share #224 Posted November 13, 2012 That is true. When grabbing a lens out of my cupboard without really looking I have been known to confuse the two Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted November 13, 2012 Share #225 Posted November 13, 2012 Why I won't be buying an M. from Leica Rumours website Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/190687-preparing-for-the-m/?do=findComment&comment=2166278'>More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 13, 2012 Share #226 Posted November 13, 2012 Someone could post a similar pic with any M plus Visoflex, etc. I'll be trying one out, and it will look similar to my M8.2 anytime I want. But it will (hopefully) be weather sealed. Different strokes. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted November 13, 2012 Share #227 Posted November 13, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Undoubtedly, that's true, Jeff. But to make the most of the M (video and R lenses), aren't M owners going to drift, if not get pushed in this direction? I appreciate that there are accessories for other M cameras, but the essence of an M9 is camera and lens; even a big lens like the Noctilux. If you wish to get the best out of live view, you're going to want the EVF (from my experience with the NEX, the LCD is not really the most comfortable way of focusing and framing); for video etc, the McGyver handgrip is going to be tempting, and to exploit the live view, it is almost inevitable you'll dust off longer glass and zooms that you can't use on an M9. These things are all great, but it's not the direction for me at the moment. Not sure the Visoflex comparison is that apposite. The Visoflex was not a central part of the M cameras of old, whereas live view is pretty central to the new M. I know myself well enough that if I bought the M, I'd be out there hunting for a nice zoom & telephoto (actually, they are already on my eBay watchlist, and I'm not even in the market). Cheers John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 13, 2012 Share #228 Posted November 13, 2012 I have no such concerns. A weather sealed full frame M with 2 m frame lines (unlike the M9) and faster processing is nice enough for me (of course if the IQ proves worthy). The rest is gravy, as they say. And if I choose to use it that way, I likely won't need a complementary DSLR, which in the end would save weight and money. As I said, different strokes. I have no concerns about a camera dictating my photo ops; it's the reverse for me. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted November 14, 2012 Share #229 Posted November 14, 2012 Why I won't be buying an M. from Leica Rumours website The problem with that image for me is not the lens on the front but the carbuncle on the top. Leica may have saved money by buying in someone else's product and sticking their name on it but a design triumph it is not. Disaster more like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted November 14, 2012 Share #230 Posted November 14, 2012 The problem with that image for me is not the lens on the front but the carbuncle on the top. Leica may have saved money by buying in someone else's product and sticking their name on it but a design triumph it is not. Disaster more like. Please get your terms right. It's called a lump. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted November 14, 2012 Share #231 Posted November 14, 2012 That is true. When grabbing a lens out of my cupboard without really looking I have been known to confuse the two Are you referring to post #224? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted November 14, 2012 Share #232 Posted November 14, 2012 Why I won't be buying an M. from Leica Rumours website That's not an M that's M-onstrosity. Nevertheless, I will buy one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted November 14, 2012 Share #233 Posted November 14, 2012 Y'all are setting yourself up for a big disappointment if you keep using the term "weather sealed". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 14, 2012 Share #234 Posted November 14, 2012 Y'all are setting yourself up for a big disappointment if you keep using the term "weather sealed". I'll await testing before making any judgment; in the meantime, it's just a term. And a step in the right direction. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted November 14, 2012 Share #235 Posted November 14, 2012 The problem with that image for me is not the lens on the front but the carbuncle on the top. Leica may have saved money by buying in someone else's product and sticking their name on it but a design triumph it is not. Disaster more like. Isn't it exactly what they did with the Olympus EVF ? Anyway, I agree that a smarter design could have been worth... maybe with the help of some Italian Stylist (NOT the Hasselblad-engaged... ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 14, 2012 Share #236 Posted November 14, 2012 Are you referring to post #224? Well, you are quoting post 225.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 14, 2012 Share #237 Posted November 14, 2012 I'll await testing before making any judgment; in the meantime, it's just a term. And a step in the right direction. Jeff How are you going to test this? Given that I know of few, if any cases where splashwater proofing would have saved an M8 or M9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted November 14, 2012 Share #238 Posted November 14, 2012 The problem with that image for me is not the lens on the front but the carbuncle on the top. Leica may have saved money by buying in someone else's product and sticking their name on it but a design triumph it is not. Disaster more like. Hideous it may be but it works. Look here http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-r-leica-flex/260201-i-tried-m-r-adapter-evf-5.html#post2234320 where I have been testing it with a Vario Elmar 80-200R on a micro 4/3rds camera. Just think of it as Frankenfinder's younger brother "Boris" who got more of the lightning and went electronic Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolo Posted November 14, 2012 Share #239 Posted November 14, 2012 Mine's a silver chrome one. I traded an M9 for it and have retained my silver M9-P. After viewing an EVF on an X2, I've lost interest in adapting R/Canon/Nikon/VC lenses for the time being. I hope that changes because a clear view, frame lines and a compact package are important to me. My current M's fit into my jacket pocket. When there's an equivalent M lens, I'll shoot that. Additional M lenses will also be used on my MPs. When the weight of a lens is more than a body, I might as well shoot a Canon. Very different if I had an existing stock of R lenses. If early reports of the M-240 confirm that CCD provides better image quality than CMOS, I'll convert my order to a Monochrome M. Rolo on Christmas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 14, 2012 Share #240 Posted November 14, 2012 Ah yes that EVF is hideous indeed. Where are the maaaarvelous accessories of our youth? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/190687-preparing-for-the-m/?do=findComment&comment=2166478'>More sharing options...
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