lct Posted May 29, 2011 Share #81 Posted May 29, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I don't think the performance of the X100 is up to the standard that Leica would accept. From which viewpoint? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted May 29, 2011 Posted May 29, 2011 Hi lct, Take a look here Leica X2: Rumors and Wishlist. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
dickgrafixstop Posted May 30, 2011 Share #82 Posted May 30, 2011 remember the fujilux 1? maybe leica's standards aren't so high after all when it comes to rebranding other's efforts. Or have I forgotten such stalwarts as the c1, mini, mini zoom, R3-7 and other attempts at partnership? How about some of the R zooms from Kyocera and others? Give me a break. How about the rumors (?) that the X1 is also a "collaborative product" with more than just the sensor being outsourced? The X2 will be whatever some staffie in Solms can slip through the business case system and will be announced and presented, and priced, as the next "breakthrough" - probably too late and too expensive to assume a leadership position in anything other than prestige marketing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted May 31, 2011 Share #83 Posted May 31, 2011 maybe leica's standards aren't so high after all when it comes to rebranding other's efforts. Be that as it may, the X1 isn’t a rebranded version of another vendor’s product and the X2 won’t be either. It doesn’t matter whether Leica buys sensors from Kodak or Sony, just as it doesn’t matter whether they are collaborating with Jenoptik in the case of the M8 and M9 and with whatever partner in the case of the X1. The X1, just like the M8 and M9, is a Leica product, designed and developed by Leica. There is a big difference between the M8, M9, and X1 on the one hand and the D-Lux, C-Lux, and V-Lux models on the other – the latter are Panasonic products differing only superficially from their pendants sold under the Panasonic brand name. Whatever the X2 will be – it will be a Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidhunternyc Posted May 31, 2011 Author Share #84 Posted May 31, 2011 remember the fujilux 1? maybe leica's standards aren't so high after all when it comes to rebranding other's efforts. Or have I forgotten such stalwarts as the c1, mini, mini zoom, R3-7 and other attempts at partnership? How about some of the R zooms from Kyoceraand others? Give me a break. How about the rumors (?) that the X1 is also a "collaborative product" with more than just the sensor being outsourced? The X2 will be whatever some staffie in Solms can slip through the business case system and will be announced and presented, and priced, as the next "breakthrough" - probably too late and too expensive toassume a leadership position in anything other than prestige marketing. With all due respect to MJH, I kind of agree with this statement. It might not be true but there is truth to it. Then again, where do BMW's come from? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georg Posted June 1, 2011 Share #85 Posted June 1, 2011 Since Leica is only assembling cameras and only designs the components at best, you will find "partners" or suppliers with substantial influence on the M9/S2 as well as on the X1. But it's not difficult to see that the X1 is mostly build by suppliers with their origin in the mass-market which don't meet the same quality standards. The plastic battery door or the flimsy optic-assembly is not better than Fuji/Panasonic or others. Leica can do better than that, they must do better than that! What I want for the X2? A camera build to the same quality standards as the M9/S2 with as little mass-market technology as possible - massive machined parts, a real fast Leica-lens... Cost? Well, it won't be cheap but less modularity and higher production numbers would make a reasonable price possible. They can decide: a 1500€-camera which is hardly competitive to the next-gen mass-market solution for <1000€ or a 3000€-camera which really stands out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidhunternyc Posted June 1, 2011 Author Share #86 Posted June 1, 2011 Since Leica is only assembling cameras and only designs the components at best, you will find "partners" or suppliers with substantial influence on the M9/S2 as well as on the X1.But it's not difficult to see that the X1 is mostly build by suppliers with their origin in the mass-market which don't meet the same quality standards. The plastic battery door or the flimsy optic-assembly is not better than Fuji/Panasonic or others. Leica can do better than that, they must do better than that! What I want for the X2? A camera build to the same quality standards as the M9/S2 with as little mass-market technology as possible - massive machined parts, a real fast Leica-lens... Cost? Well, it won't be cheap but less modularity and higher production numbers would make a reasonable price possible. They can decide: a 1500€-camera which is hardly competitive to the next-gen mass-market solution for <1000€ or a 3000€-camera which really stands out. I agree with this totally. My number one issue with the X1 was the build quality. It is almost twice as expensive as the X100 and yet all these parts on it are made out of cheap plastic. I too am hoping that the X2 is made with heavy-duty machined metal and a real glass LCD screen. For the prices Leica charges there is no reason for the current lack of quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
prk60091 Posted June 1, 2011 Share #87 Posted June 1, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I agree with this totally. My number one issue with the X1 was the build quality. It is almost twice as expensive as the X100 and yet all these parts on it are made out of cheap plastic. I too am hoping that the X2 is made with heavy-duty machined metal and a real glass LCD screen. For the prices Leica charges there is no reason for the current lack of quality. i don't think that Leica actually manufactures the parts for the M9 either....( i am sure that some other company makes them to Leica's specs and then they are assembled in Germany) let's not forget that prior to the X1 there was absolutely no digital camera like it (prime lens APS-C sensor) and a market had to be made for it.... if it cost $4500 (like the camera you are suggesting will cost)- no one will buy it at all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
prk60091 Posted June 1, 2011 Share #88 Posted June 1, 2011 i really don't get the fascination in this and other threads about a glass LCD screen: i use the LCD to frame & view the histogram/settings and that's it- most times i don't even review the image- either i got it or i didn't- (an aftereffect of shooting film forever) and then on to the next image... can someone enlighten me? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
prk60091 Posted June 1, 2011 Share #89 Posted June 1, 2011 one of the things i really enjoy about the x1 is the weight (or lack of it)...metal parts will make it heavier and less like to bring along i had a D2 and with all that glass it was usually too big and too heavy to take along for a night out... now i can take the x1 throw it in my sport coat and not be worried that i am carrying a brick in my pocket... i hope the x2 has a similar form factor (ie size) and weight as the x1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georg Posted June 2, 2011 Share #90 Posted June 2, 2011 "i don't think that Leica actually manufactures the parts for the M9 either....( i am sure that some other company makes them to Leica's specs and then they are assembled in Germany)" That's true, Jenoptik does the electronics, Clößner and Weller (now a part of Leica again on the Leitz-Park) the majority of mechanical parts. these suppliers work with the highest standards and are normaly not chosen for consumer electronics. But the X1 seems to rely on different suppliers (with the exception of the shutter wheel?) - are the lens elements even grinded by Leica? The Elmarit isn't up to the perfomance of the M-lenses. Why little motors and plastic gears for a contractable lens housing when specialized manufacturers in the region can supply high speed drives/bearings with sub-micron tolerances and acceleration of several g? There's no need to rely on mass-market suppliers - exceot for keeping investments down... By the way, machined high-strength aluminium design is much more weight efficient than most other processes - it doesn't need to brass for all parts... Enough armchair-CEO for today ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidhunternyc Posted June 3, 2011 Author Share #91 Posted June 3, 2011 Hey Georg, you and I are on the same wavelength. Again, I agree with you here. Just because a camera is made out of machined metal does not mean it's a boat anchor. My Leica lllg was all metal. It was easily transportable and its built-like-a-tank engineering recently brought me in $1000 on ebay. All from a camera made in 1957. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan States Posted June 3, 2011 Share #92 Posted June 3, 2011 Has somebody worn out their x1 yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted June 11, 2011 Share #93 Posted June 11, 2011 The little thing keeps going and going.... CJ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zany Posted August 20, 2011 Share #94 Posted August 20, 2011 My wish list requires nothing new, simply an f2 35mm lens, the 18megapixel sensor from the M9, the 3 inch LCD from the D-Lux 4 and fast AF. Simples! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted August 20, 2011 Share #95 Posted August 20, 2011 let's not forget that prior to the X1 there was absolutely no digital camera like it (prime lens APS-C sensor) The Sigma DP1 has/had more or less an APS-C sensor. Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick_S Posted August 20, 2011 Share #96 Posted August 20, 2011 My wish list requires nothing new, simply an f2 35mm lens, the 18megapixel sensor from the M9, the 3 inch LCD from the D-Lux 4 and fast AF. Simples! Can we add a manual focus dial/ring with a depth of field scale to allow proper zone focussing coupled with minimal shutter lag? Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt93 Posted August 20, 2011 Share #97 Posted August 20, 2011 Faster AF is a must as I learned on my St. Croix trip and while taking pics of my kids. I took several pics of the marina and the AF was off (I had no idea due to the brightness and not being able to see the LCD). I would also like a 2.0 or lower lens and a view finder. Just a few refinements will make this camera even better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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