cobbu2 Posted June 7, 2014 Share #821 Posted June 7, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Ah, yes, thanks! Would the FOKOS rangefinder also be appropriate? Cheers, Allan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jc_braconi Posted June 9, 2014 Share #822 Posted June 9, 2014 (edited) Ah, yes, thanks! Would the FOKOS rangefinder also be appropriate? Cheers, Allan Yes but more protruding being vertically the HFOOK is a FOKOS with a support that leaves it horizontally with free access to speed selector by turning it on a pivot. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited June 9, 2014 by jc_braconi 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/13639-ltm-users-its-time-to-stand-up-and-be-counted/?do=findComment&comment=2606998'>More sharing options...
cobbu2 Posted June 11, 2014 Share #823 Posted June 11, 2014 Thank you JC, I'm now in the process of looking for one! Incidentally, I bought back the Leica II from the dealer (at a greatly reduced price) as I have found a facility locally that can repair it. Thanks again, Allan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philjh Posted June 20, 2014 Share #824 Posted June 20, 2014 Leica 111c (1942) factory converted to111f. Recent service has restored it to pristine condition. Summar 5cm in excellent condition, very sharp. A real joy to use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruniroquai Posted June 21, 2014 Share #825 Posted June 21, 2014 Just buy a IIIF with a 50 Cron and a 35 Summaron e39. Which 90 would You recommend in terms of portabilitty and IQ? Cheers! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2014 Share #826 Posted June 21, 2014 ... Take one of No 1 - 6, you can't be wrong. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/attachments/leica-collectors-historica/296857d1327068857-walter-mandler-90mm-elmar-triplet-elmars.jpg http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-collectors-historica/219226-walter-mandler-90mm-elmar-triplet.html #3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruniroquai Posted June 21, 2014 Share #827 Posted June 21, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Nice! I guess it's difficult to find... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruniroquai Posted July 9, 2014 Share #828 Posted July 9, 2014 Any suggestion between Summar, Summitar and Summicron? These last are overpriced! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted July 9, 2014 Share #829 Posted July 9, 2014 Any suggestion between Summar, Summitar and Summicron? These last are overpriced! Pay the money and get the Summicron. That way you will not be disappointed. If however you are only going to take black and white, a Summitar is fine. I find mine often gives a strange blue tint to colour, which I don’t think the Summar does. I certainly don’t recall my father’s slides having a blue tint, all taken with a Summar. In modern terms, the Summar is very soft wide open, a bit like an F1 Noctilux wide open. It was an old design even in the 1930’s, owing a lot to an older Taylor Hobson design and that was an era where design was changing rapidly. It may be a personal preference but I think the rigid Summicron is better than the collapsible, maybe solely because the lens cell is always at perfect right angles to the film. OTOH, the collapsible looks better on an LTM. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruniroquai Posted July 9, 2014 Share #830 Posted July 9, 2014 (edited) Thanks Wilson! I'm over one of these, for my little IIIF. don't know if on a wet print which one delivers an acceptable to a great quality. I also have the 35 summaron e39 (is there any hood for it, or it's even necessary? the lens is like inside some cm down the filter thread). Is the Summarit as good as the Cron? I shot mainly black and white, 90% I should say. Thanks again. PS: I found here in London in reddotcameras and other shops but man, 500-550 pounds for a Collap Cron? and is not with perfect glass! EDIT: Sorry I meant the Summitar. Edited July 9, 2014 by bruniroquai Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted July 9, 2014 Share #831 Posted July 9, 2014 Any suggestion between Summar, Summitar and Summicron? These last are overpriced! Don't ignore the 50/3.5 Elmar, which although a little slower is an excellent, tiny little collapsible lens for very little money. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted July 9, 2014 Share #832 Posted July 9, 2014 I have Summitars from 1939 and 1948. The 1948 was purchased same year by my aunt and is exceptional: seems as sharp as my v1 Summicron and good color. I also have a 1934 Summar with clear glass which is quite sharp, but is yellow compared to modern lenses. Perhaps intentional for B&W film? Note that only the Summicron of these 3 has click stops! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted July 9, 2014 Share #833 Posted July 9, 2014 I have Summitars from 1939 and 1948. The 1948 was purchased same year by my aunt and is exceptional: seems as sharp as my v1 Summicron and good color. I also have a 1934 Summar with clear glass which is quite sharp, but is yellow compared to modern lenses. Perhaps intentional for B&W film?Note that only the Summicron of these 3 has click stops! I have a slight suspicion that my Summitar is a bit of a Friday one, which may be colouring my views on all Summitars. It is the late “cheap” hex diaphragm model, bought new by my father in 1953. At f2 it is not a patch on my contemporary Zeiss Opton Sonnar stopped down to f2 and at f3.5, it is not as good as my pre-war Elmar 50, but rebuilt and coated post war. I have had it checked to make sure there is no fungus and as it has had virtually no use, it has no cleaning or other marks, so it can’t be improved. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobbu2 Posted August 18, 2014 Share #834 Posted August 18, 2014 (edited) Ok, my Leica I Standard and II pairing is taking shape, both in full operating condition (the Leica II repaired courtesy of Youxin Ye); on display is the I Standard (182533) with the FOKOS rangefinder and a 50/3.5 Elmar, the II (83494) with the VIOOH viewfinder and the 35/3.5 Summaron: I'm putting them through their paces, I'll be posting some images soon! Cheers, Allan Edited August 18, 2014 by cobbu2 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted August 19, 2014 Share #835 Posted August 19, 2014 My guess is the 50 summilux would be the same (too big to work well). Earlier in the thread, I posted a photo of my Leica II with the Summilux 50 pre-asph LTM mounted. It is a little bit unbalanced but not in such a way as to make it difficult to use. In fact, it is a very nimble combo because the camera body is so small. In my hands it feels less unwieldy than an M body with a Noctilux, for instance. Is the [summitar] as good as the Cron? I shot mainly black and white, 90% I should say. As some may know I am a Summitar fan for both colour and b&w. Puts writes in his “Leica-Chronicle” | iBooks that "The Summitar was a very good performer, especially after the application of coating-layers." Mine's a 10-blade aperture 1950 coated copy that does perform well, much better than I expected. Optically-technically, however, the collapsible Summicron is a better lens. Puts's writes: "The original Leitz documentation gives this lens the highest praise: “With the Summicron we have created a small-format (35-mm) lens of the highest possible performance, uniting in the most happy way the progress in glass research and the newest insights of the optical design department”. A more sober verdict might be that the lens, while better than the predecessor at maximum aperture, still shows a low overall contrast with good definition of the finer details. It has excellent color correction with good recording capabilities of the subtle color nuances." The Summicron does have a fairly soft front element which scratches rather easily, so that is something to bear in mind. Plus it makes it more difficult to find copies in good condition. I've seen Summicrons for sub-300GBP, which is a good price, and Summitars for 200GBP in similar condition. It all depends on the dealer, but it seems to me that the Summicron is a lens which some dealers like to sell for closer to 400-500GBP. Philip Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted August 19, 2014 Share #836 Posted August 19, 2014 I love the 28mm for its miniscule size as well as its classic rendering. I have, however, noticed that it is very contrasty, and will probably start slightly reducing the development time in order to dial down the contrast. Anyone else experienced this? Anyone know where I can get a "user" lens cap for this lens? Hi Adam I have the 2,8 f/6.3 Hektor and have considered adding a 2,8cm f/5.6 Summaron because it is a more contrasty lens. The Hektor renders nicely, and is a pretty good performer under the right circumstances, but it is a low contrast lens in my experience. So it is interesting and helpful for me to read about your experience that it is almost too contrasty. As for a cap, I believe both lenses have the same front diameter and use the same A36 filters. I have used the bakelite cap from my 9cm f/4 Elmar which fits over the entire front lens assembly. It works well enough for me. Peter Loy in London has one in stock at the moment. Philip Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith (M) Posted August 20, 2014 Share #837 Posted August 20, 2014 Have to say that my 1951 Summicron 5cm Collapsible impresses me with its performance. Bought last year from Leica Shop Wien and has been on my 1957 IIIg ever since (whilst my lovely little Elmar sits forlornly on the shelf...). Example below from the Summicron on Agfa Vista 200. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/13639-ltm-users-its-time-to-stand-up-and-be-counted/?do=findComment&comment=2653084'>More sharing options...
Bakingjames Posted August 30, 2014 Share #838 Posted August 30, 2014 Hullo! I'm James and this is my first post (hopefully of many). I have just taken delivery of my first Leica - a Leica 1 that has been heavily upgraded (see here for pics: Share.Pho.to | This photo set was shared via Share.Pho.to). The story I got from the previous owner is that the rangefinder and slow shutter (and presumably chrome) were added in 1935. The Summar lens is from 1937. It's essentially, then, a leica iii (F) with a 5-digit serial number. I'm just learning, but I gather these upgraded, frankenleicas are quite common...? As for condition, twas serviced approx 2 years ago and the number (allegedly, but I have no reason to doubt) checks out inside. The lens is excellent. The shutter speeds sound about right, but have yet to see. Slow shutters are definitely pretty accurate. The only niggle is that the shutter speed dial doesn't QUITE match up with the arrow; don't suppose anyone knows if this is an easy fix to remove and swivel round? Got it's first film in now (Kodak tmax100) and will let you know how it goes. Attached to this post are some quick snaps I took of the camera (w/ my fuji). Please do comment and let me know what you think - as I say, I'm very new to the world of historical Leicas. Cheers! James Photos of camera are here: Share.Pho.to | This photo set was shared via Share.Pho.to Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted August 30, 2014 Share #839 Posted August 30, 2014 Should be fun, and capable of nice images. Looks like it is now a model III with a Summar - Leica's first f2.0 lens. Last year I picked up a later 30s III with a '34 Summar, and the lens is much better than I expected, but low contrast. I also have IIIc, IIIf, and IIIg, but the slightly smaller size of the III and Summar feel great to use. Many great pictures have been taken with that combination. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobbu2 Posted August 30, 2014 Share #840 Posted August 30, 2014 Excellent find! It appears this camera will provide years of enjoyment and also open the path to learning the fascinating history of your camera and Leica cameras, lenses, etc., and in general from the many resources available. Interesting attachment to the shutter speed dial by the way, that's something I've never seen before. Check out this link, especially the notes at the bottom of the page listing the conversion options which it appears your camera is the result of. Good luck, have fun and looking forward to seeing some posted photos! Regards, Allan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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