jc_braconi Posted January 4, 2013 Share #641 Posted January 4, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Wow, what a nice gift! Interesting lllf indeed, I'm not sure what if anything could be swapped over from the llla as pretty much everything inside and outside is different. The lens mount perhaps? the top cover with what is inside ....and outside Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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earleygallery Posted January 5, 2013 Author Share #642 Posted January 5, 2013 the top cover with what is inside ....and outside Hi JC, isn't the llla a smaller body size than the later lllf? I am sure I read elsewhere that the entire construction is different, the later cameras being made from fewer castings. I have seen earlier cameras converted to 'lllf spec' which typically have a flash sync dial stuck to the top plate of the camera, not a wholesale change to the later body style as with this example. Of course, my knowledge is limited compared to yours, and I know you probably have examples of each in your collection Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted January 5, 2013 Share #643 Posted January 5, 2013 Hi JC, isn't the llla a smaller body size than the later lllf? That's what I thought that the change was at the IIIc - about 1/8-inch longer. I don't have a IIIa - just Japanese clones of the III that are all shorter (left to right) than the IIIc and IIIf. (Except for my Leotax - which looks like a IIIf but is even longer by another 1/8 inch.) I'm sure the top cover with the "Red dial" sync engraving would have been new. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted January 5, 2013 Share #644 Posted January 5, 2013 I think they changed also the body and bottom plate not the most expensive pieces for the uprate. but have to have the camera in my hands to check about every "corners". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted January 5, 2013 Share #645 Posted January 5, 2013 On my monitor the numbers look black how are the two pins of the selector : flat or folded ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted January 5, 2013 Share #646 Posted January 5, 2013 (edited) On my monitor the numbers look black how are the two pins of the selector : flat or folded ? I had poor lighting on the earlier shot - here is a comparison. The "IIIa" serial number is indeed red dial with the sync pins folded up: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Compared to a "black dial" with the flat pins: I'm still sure the covers and body would have to have been replaced, and likely most (if not all) of the internal works. By the way - I've also seen the application of an old serial number to a new unit at a company where I used to work. The customer wanted a piece of test equipment up-graded to a newer model - but the new model was entirely different design with no parts or case in common with the old one. The customer required the same serial number for tracking purposes, so the old serial was put on an entirely new unit, and the company files of serial numbers were updated to explain the change. I suspect Leitz did the same on this unit. Edited January 5, 2013 by TomB_tx 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Compared to a "black dial" with the flat pins: I'm still sure the covers and body would have to have been replaced, and likely most (if not all) of the internal works. By the way - I've also seen the application of an old serial number to a new unit at a company where I used to work. The customer wanted a piece of test equipment up-graded to a newer model - but the new model was entirely different design with no parts or case in common with the old one. The customer required the same serial number for tracking purposes, so the old serial was put on an entirely new unit, and the company files of serial numbers were updated to explain the change. I suspect Leitz did the same on this unit. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/13639-ltm-users-its-time-to-stand-up-and-be-counted/?do=findComment&comment=2206349'>More sharing options...
hektor Posted January 5, 2013 Share #647 Posted January 5, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) The IIIf red-dial is interesting, as it has the serial number from a 1936 IIIa. Gentlemen, The Leica IIIa is five and a half inches long; the Leica IIIf is five and three quarter inches long. The chassis and method of construction is completely different. Futhermore the post war cameras use the "42-215" and "42-216" shutter. Leica Camera AG used to have an archivist, however Herr Kaufmann disposed of his services to save money. It was unfortunate as one used to be able to search the archives and obtain the history of a camera. Have fun. Justin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas_schertel Posted January 6, 2013 Share #648 Posted January 6, 2013 My latest one: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Yours sincerely Thomas 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Yours sincerely Thomas ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/13639-ltm-users-its-time-to-stand-up-and-be-counted/?do=findComment&comment=2207323'>More sharing options...
hektor Posted January 6, 2013 Share #649 Posted January 6, 2013 My latest one: [ATTACH]354476[/ATTACH] Yours sincerely Thomas Congratulations Thomas, that really is a "find". What is the serial number? I sent mine to Ottmar Michaely, not only for a CLA, but also to allow the Model I to accept modern film cassettes. Have fun. Justin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas_schertel Posted January 6, 2013 Share #650 Posted January 6, 2013 31608 from spring 1930 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted February 24, 2013 Share #651 Posted February 24, 2013 Just to help the thread come up for air again Leica II (1931) | Flickr I'm happy to say that most of the brassing is of my own doing. I really like this camera, both for its excellent portability and its handling. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torquatus Posted February 24, 2013 Share #652 Posted February 24, 2013 here one of mine : IIIb Regards Gerhard Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/13639-ltm-users-its-time-to-stand-up-and-be-counted/?do=findComment&comment=2252369'>More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted February 24, 2013 Share #653 Posted February 24, 2013 Hello Phillip & Gerhard, To help you help this continue: Hello Thomas, I have the bottom book from Post # 651 in its English Language version. Best Regards All, Michael 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mckay3d Posted February 24, 2013 Share #654 Posted February 24, 2013 I just received this Ic back from repair after it had been in pieces for over 20 years. Now it is ready to photograph the wide, wide world! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/13639-ltm-users-its-time-to-stand-up-and-be-counted/?do=findComment&comment=2252416'>More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted February 24, 2013 Share #655 Posted February 24, 2013 Typical thin chrome plating after 1945-1950. The lens & viewfinder are in great shape. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted February 24, 2013 Share #656 Posted February 24, 2013 (edited) By the way Gerhard & mckay3d - Welcome to the Forum. Best Regards, Michael Edited February 24, 2013 by Michael Geschlecht 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted February 25, 2013 Share #657 Posted February 25, 2013 (edited) Nice to see another Ic returned to useful service! I just got mine back last week from Youxin Ye and it too is again in working order, after new curtains and replacing some missing internal parts. This was given to me in pieces, and I found a bottom plate (DAG) and covered the bare body shell (after patching the holes left by flash-sync conversion) with an Aki-Asahi material. When I got it there were loose screws rattling inside, and the curtains were crinkled and cracked. With a 35 it works well scale-focusing, but now to look for a FONOR or such... The previous owner had it in a box with a focoslide, and indicated it had been used on a copy stand - so no range/viewfinder had been needed. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited February 25, 2013 by TomB_tx 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/13639-ltm-users-its-time-to-stand-up-and-be-counted/?do=findComment&comment=2252562'>More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted February 25, 2013 Share #658 Posted February 25, 2013 . With a 35 it works well scale-focusing, but now to look for a FONOR or such... A FOKOS will be the right choice for the look and the space occuped. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susie Posted February 25, 2013 Share #659 Posted February 25, 2013 A FOKOS will be the right choice for the look and the space occuped. Something along these lines? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Susie 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Susie ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/13639-ltm-users-its-time-to-stand-up-and-be-counted/?do=findComment&comment=2253219'>More sharing options...
mckay3d Posted February 25, 2013 Share #660 Posted February 25, 2013 A FOKOS will be the right choice for the look and the space occuped. I have a nice black enamel FOKOS, but am missing the turret clip to mount it on the camera. And I would like to acquire a nice chrome FOKOS with the clip and would use it with my chrome Standard (Model E) and the Ic. Thanks... Maurice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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