Jim J Posted April 11, 2021 Share #15081 Posted April 11, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) Wolseley Hornet? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted April 11, 2021 Posted April 11, 2021 Hi Jim J, Take a look here Name this car..... I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
pippy Posted April 11, 2021 Share #15082 Posted April 11, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Jim J said: Wolseley Hornet?... Hello, Jim. No; neither a Singer nor a Hornet. You are all in the right ball-park, though, and clearly someone is going to get it soon... Here's a more generous snap of the rear 3/4. Flashing indicator, as if I need to say, is a later addition! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Philip. Edited April 11, 2021 by pippy Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Philip. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4178941'>More sharing options...
Jim J Posted April 11, 2021 Share #15083 Posted April 11, 2021 So much for that then - I thought the creation you were referring to might have been the Wolseley sheep shearing machinery..... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim J Posted April 11, 2021 Share #15084 Posted April 11, 2021 The rear end has a Rover look about it, but that doesn't fit with the 5 decades clue. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 11, 2021 Share #15085 Posted April 11, 2021 Could it be a Crossley 10 HP saloon from around 1934. 50+ years earlier, Crossley worked with Nicholas Otto, to develop the Otto-Crossley gas engine, the first practical internal combustion power source. Wilson 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted April 11, 2021 Share #15086 Posted April 11, 2021 (edited) Hello, Wilson. No; not a Crossley. Jim! Yes; it IS a Rover. In 1885 "The Rover", designed by J.K. Starley, was the first commercially successful 'Safety Bicycle' - truly the very first modern bike. The Rover company as we know it carried on from this quite monumentous landmark in human transport. In terms of dating this particular vehicle there seems to be a conflict of ideas on the 'net but, as it was a design which straddled the war years, I'm not particularly fussed whether one guesses 1936 or 1946; either might be correct although having checked the registration-plate through the DVLA site I know which is probably more accurate... Another snap. Not sure the enamelled Union Flag is original...but it might be!.... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Philip. Edited April 11, 2021 by pippy 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Philip. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4178997'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 11, 2021 Share #15087 Posted April 11, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) I had a 1938 Rover 16 in 1963, which I had paid £25 for. It had different sides to its bonnet from the one Philip shows, with three or four openable trapdoors on each side, presumably for winter and summer. Unfortunately it did not come with much in the way of piston rings and used almost as much oil as it did petrol. I managed to get the sump off but completely failed to get the cylinder head off the block, so that I could extract the pistons to hone the bores and either replace the entire pistons or just put new rings on. The steel studs had corroded totally into the aluminium cylinder head. I had the whole car suspended by the cylinder head for around three weeks and pouring various substances around the studs, releasing oil, diesel fuel, oxalic acid, etc. I then heated the studs until they were red hot but all to no avail, so sadly I drove it off to the scrap yard, who paid me £20 for it, so only a £5 net loss. It had interesting features like a freewheel for clutchless gearchanges and synchromesh on the top three gears. It was the sports model with twin downdraft SU carburettors. My great uncle had a near identically bodied Rover 14 post war (?1947). According to my father he did not like it much, as he had ordered a 16HP sports saloon but what turned up was a standard 14HP without the freewheel (that was a common occurrence in the immediate post war period, where the buyers had to put up with what arrived). He changed the Rover within the year for a nearly new Daimler DB18 Consort, with an unusual Barker aluminium two door body, which my great aunt drove for the next 20+ years. Wilson 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted April 11, 2021 Share #15088 Posted April 11, 2021 Shame about the head/block issues. It's always a pity when something which should be able to be resolved but cannot consigns an object to the scrap-heap. Good advertisement for the Consort, however! The 'quiz' car predates both the 16 and 14 models you mention, Wilson, and the model was effectively discontinued without replacement in '48. There were different body-styles available and the version pictured can easily be discerned from the various photographs already posted. Just to give one last clue (and I'm not referring to the 'Desert Rats' insignia!); Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Philip. Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Philip. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4179115'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 11, 2021 Share #15089 Posted April 11, 2021 Might it have the same name as a well known tank engine? Wilson 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted April 11, 2021 Share #15090 Posted April 11, 2021 (edited) 41 minutes ago, wlaidlaw said: Might it have the same name as a well known tank engine?... The Rev. would have been pleased that you remembered! Yes, Wilson; it is an example of the 1934-'36 Rover P1 - start of a dynasty! - and is the first of this body-style of 12HP Rover. Congratulations! It wouldn't take Sherlock to work out from this point that it is the six-light saloon bodied version. The rear treatment of the later 12 P2 is quite different from the design seen here. Incidentally in the 'Small World!' stakes I was a bit surprised to see, when verifying the exact model of 12, that this actual car is pictured on Wiki for the relevant entry! I just happened to come across it a few days ago parked in the station car park in Rochester! It's rather a handsome thing 'in the flesh'. A few snaps of the whole shebang; Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Over to you, Wilson! Philip. Edited April 11, 2021 by pippy 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Over to you, Wilson! Philip. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4179211'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 11, 2021 Share #15091 Posted April 11, 2021 Philip, I think Jim should get it as he guessed Rover. I was actually thinking of a different model the 20HP Meteor, not of course to be confused with the Merlin derived Rover Meteor 24L V12 tank engine, where Rover swapped the manufacturing rights with Rolls Royce for their gas turbine engine knowledge. Most of these so-called Merlin engined Rolls Royces etc, actually use the non-supercharged Meteor engine instead as it is far easier to get something approaching a normal throttle response from this engine. When I was at college in Switzerland in the mid 1960's, I had a Swiss Friend there whose father had bought a huge Italian hydroplane, powered by a pair of Rolls Royce supercharged Griffon type 89 37 litre engines, supposedly putting out 2350HP each, when running on avgas. I think it had been built around 1951 to attempt the world water speed record. However the throttle system had been designed to work with a revs governed constant pitch airscrew, not a lever type throttle and to describe the response as non-linear would be an understatement. The throttle control was more like an on/off switch. I had one trip with them on Lake Geneva which was rather too exciting. I was the designated throttle man while the father steered and my friend operated the various hydrodynamic hydraulic powered trim tabs. We suffered a collective bravery failure at around 100 very scary knots and still accelerating hard. We had already had a couple of very unpleasant porpoising events and the noise and vibration were terrifying. We returned to the marina in Lausanne at tick-over. I suspect it became a static exhibit thereafter, as I certainly never went out in it again. Wilson 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted April 11, 2021 Share #15092 Posted April 11, 2021 1 hour ago, wlaidlaw said: Philip, I think Jim should get it as he guessed Rover. I was actually thinking of a different model the 20HP Meteor... What an extraordinary event to have experience and such a fantastic tale to be able to tell; I really can't possibly imagine what it must have been like! And odd to see what different things we humans think about when the words "well known tank engine" are strung together. My brain instantly went to the books written by the Rev. W. Awdrey! I'm sure psychologists would have something to say on the matter.... Thomas, as I'm sure we all know, was allocated the number 1 by his creator and the car in question was the first of the Rover 'P' cars and so my brain (such as it is) made the mental leap....to the wrong conclusion! Apologies to all for my mux-ip and please, Jim, do take the helm; you've earned it! Philip. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted April 12, 2021 Share #15093 Posted April 12, 2021 vor 13 Stunden schrieb wlaidlaw: When I was at college in Switzerland in the mid 1960's, I had a Swiss Friend there whose father had bought a huge Italian hydroplane, powered by a pair of Rolls Royce supercharged Griffon type 89 37 litre engines, supposedly putting out 2350HP each, when running on avgas. Wilson, even one of these engines were enough to push serious unlimited hydroplanes but two of them makes them a sort of Saturn V rocket, not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 12, 2021 Share #15094 Posted April 12, 2021 Ronald, I suspect the Griffons frightened the original Italian owner, just as they did us, as Emilio's father said they had not run for many years when he bought the hydroplane very cheaply. The engines had to be recommissioned by an engineer who came out to Switzerland from the UK. Apparently that engineer warned that the throttle system would not work properly. It was OK up to around 1600 RPM before the boost started to build over 30 inches absolute but with centrifugal superchargers, the boost is proportional to the square of the rotation speed and even though the superchargers had been fixed in the lowest of their 3 speeds, the boost climbed very quickly after 1600 RPM, which would then cause cavitation and a surge in revs = more boost. I think the hydroplane was basically un-driveable as it was. I have a friend who put an early Merlin engine in a shortened Rolls Royce Phantom II chassis (was a hearse). He could not make it work either, until he removed the supercharger and replaced it with 6 downdraft Weber carburettors. I lost touch with Emilio after I left the college in Switzerland, so I have no idea what happened to the craft. I would guess it sat unused for some years and was either re-engined with something more sensible or broken up for parts. Some years ago I was talking to the Marine Lamborghini dealer in St Tropez and he said a number of uber-rich folk, who have not driven a fast boat before, buy hydroplanes with one or two Lamborghini turbo 7 litre V12 marine engines in them with around 900HP each. Drive them once, scare themselves rigid and never drive them again, selling it on to someone else. More money than common sense. Wilson 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim J Posted April 16, 2021 Share #15095 Posted April 16, 2021 (edited) On 4/12/2021 at 4:54 AM, pippy said: Jim, do take the helm Thank you. In that case, here's the next one: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Incidentally, the Rover in the photograph is very much like the black one my father had from 1952 until we left Scotland to come to Australia in 1958. As I was not quite 5 at the time, my memories of that car are somewhat hazy, although I do remember it. The shape of the bodywork at the rear, judging from the one photograph I have of it, was the same as our puzzle car..... Edited April 16, 2021 by Jim J Forgot to delete a rather legible clue..... 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Incidentally, the Rover in the photograph is very much like the black one my father had from 1952 until we left Scotland to come to Australia in 1958. As I was not quite 5 at the time, my memories of that car are somewhat hazy, although I do remember it. The shape of the bodywork at the rear, judging from the one photograph I have of it, was the same as our puzzle car..... ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4182764'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 16, 2021 Share #15096 Posted April 16, 2021 Could the latest car be a Renault Monaquatre? Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim J Posted April 17, 2021 Share #15097 Posted April 17, 2021 No, it isn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted April 17, 2021 Share #15098 Posted April 17, 2021 Starting from first principles (as I haven't a clue!); is it from an American manufacturer? Philip. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim J Posted April 18, 2021 Share #15099 Posted April 18, 2021 It is not an American car (in spite of the numberplate). There is, however, a corporate link to the US. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 18, 2021 Share #15100 Posted April 18, 2021 1950 Vauxhall Wyvern L Series Caleche Cabriolet? Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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