Graham (G4FUJ) Posted July 12, 2019 Share #12461 Â Posted July 12, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) Fowler? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wlaidlaw Posted July 12, 2019 Share #12462  Posted July 12, 2019 Graham, Oddly you have guessed the one I have not shown, which is a Fowler 7hp Showmans but a German built live steam model, I have bought for my grandsons at an auction at a very reasonable price. It has a proper valve engine not an oscillating with reversing gear plus a working dynamo and lighting on the canopy. I will show the whole full size one to see if you can guess its maker and the type. I am going to go and drive it in a couple of weeks down in the New Forest. Our better halves think we are totally potty. I have crudely painted out the names on it. Wilson  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=3777097'>More sharing options...
Graham (G4FUJ) Posted July 16, 2019 Share #12463 Â Posted July 16, 2019 I'm only really familiar with a few of the ploughing engines Wilson. Unfortunately I will miss out on attending a ploughing day organised by the Steam Plough club again this year, as the weekend clashes with Prescott hill climb. That does look rather stunning, so enjoy your drive. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted July 16, 2019 Share #12464  Posted July 16, 2019 I doubt if anyone else will name it, so I will. It is a 1914 Burrell 6NHP cross compound (2 cylinder), road locomotive "Duke of Kent". I am not sure until I drive it, if it has 2 or 3 gears but there are a number of mechanical differences to an agricultural engine, which other than the rubber tyres (and these have often been fitted in later years to agricultural engines) look very similar. The road locomotives will have a rear differential for tight corners and a sprung back axle for both comfort, articulation and traction on hard surfaces. You can disengage the drive to the rear wheels with the two large pins either side of the brass rear wheel hub cover. This is so that the brake drum you can see behind the wheel, can act as a winch drum. I see that this engine, very unusually has an engine brake on the flywheel, a very sensible addition for coping with inconsiderate modern traffic. Regular braking on a traction engine is done by putting the valve gear into reverse and applying steam but this is a much more complicated exercise on a compound engine, as you have to switch the valve gears over to "simple" from "compound" first to get full braking, hence the fitting of an engine brake. Anyone else got something to post. Wilson  Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted July 16, 2019 Share #12465  Posted July 16, 2019 Here's the next car and the clue is:  A restored taxi with vague-ish RR connections … but no RR parts Year make and model please Good luck dunk  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=3779333'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted July 16, 2019 Share #12466  Posted July 16, 2019 With the RR connection I would guess either a Minerva or a Peugeot. As this looks to be a single cylinder I would lean towards Peugeot. I think all the early Minervas were 2, 3 or 4 cylinder engines. Wilson  Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted July 16, 2019 Share #12467  Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Incorrect countries Wilson and RR connection is likely due to its taxi use.  The car was made in the UK but the motor might be a non-uk design made under licence … but not Minerva or Peugeot. The manufacturing company was 'short-lived' . dunk Edited July 16, 2019 by dkCambridgeshire additional info Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted July 16, 2019 Share #12468  Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) Another view: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  The body is a total recreation as original body was missing when restoration commenced. Car chassis etc was stored by well known veteran vehicle enthusiast family for 100 years prior to restoration. dunk Edited July 16, 2019 by dkCambridgeshire Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  The body is a total recreation as original body was missing when restoration commenced. Car chassis etc was stored by well known veteran vehicle enthusiast family for 100 years prior to restoration. dunk ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=3779425'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted July 16, 2019 Share #12469  Posted July 16, 2019 My thought was that before he was associated with Henry Royce, the Hon C.S. Rolls was the main London dealer for Peugeot and Minerva. I seem to remember the early British taxis were called Rational (maybe with an e) and made by Heatley-Gresham. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted July 16, 2019 Share #12470  Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) Wilson, No connection with Rational(e) or Heatley-Gresham dunk Edited July 16, 2019 by dkCambridgeshire Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted July 16, 2019 Share #12471  Posted July 16, 2019 The RR connection is the car's use to collect the Hon. Charles Rolls following his hot air balloon's unscheduled landing. dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted July 16, 2019 Share #12472  Posted July 16, 2019 Side view  dunk Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=3779450'>More sharing options...
hektor Posted July 17, 2019 Share #12473  Posted July 17, 2019 (edited) If you don't mind me interrupting this thread, has anyone any details about this M.G., particularly the body designer/builder? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited July 17, 2019 by hektor Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=3779848'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted July 17, 2019 Share #12474  Posted July 17, 2019 Hektor, It is a 1952 TD chassis and is known as the Ghia-Aigle MG TD. It was jointly drawn by Frua and Michelotti for Ghia and made by Aigle Coachworks in Lugano. Although it used an MG TD chassis as a mule, the target customer was actually Jaguar, as an alternative body style for the forthcoming XK140. There was a one off copy of the car made in Czechoslovakia but using an earlier J2 chassis. However, I think this is too nice, so is probably the original. Wilson 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted July 17, 2019 Share #12475  Posted July 17, 2019 15 hours ago, dkCambridgeshire said: Side view  dunk  …. made in Coventry.  Running out of clues! dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted July 17, 2019 Share #12476 Â Posted July 17, 2019 Daimler? William Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted July 17, 2019 Share #12477  Posted July 17, 2019 William it's not a Daimler but there were unsuccessful negotiations c.1902 to merge with Daimler. The manufacture went out of business in 1904. dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted July 17, 2019 Share #12478  Posted July 17, 2019 Here's another view showing the whole car dunk Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=3779970'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted July 17, 2019 Share #12479  Posted July 17, 2019 It might in view of the Daimler connection, be one of the many constituent companies/licensees of Harry Lawson's British Motor Syndicate for example Billings-Burns. One of the original Syndicate companies was the Great Horseless Carriage Company, which had a lot of capital (£750,000, equivalent to nearly £100,000,000 today) raised for it in 1896, much of which disappeared into a number of the directors' (principally Harry Lawson's) pockets. The main purpose of the Syndicate was financial/stock manipulation, patent trolling and fraud rather than car manufacture. It was reorganised under various increasingly grandiose titles but correspondingly hopeless prospects of success. There were some discussions (maybe 1904/5) of the whole enterprise being bought by Daimler Germany but apparently a quick look at the books by Daimler's accountants and lawyers instantly killed that off. The remnants were bought by the very wealthy Birmingham Small Arms Company (B.S.A.), who made many of the British Army's weapons around 1910. Amazingly throughout this period Daimler UK continued to make increasingly good cars and became the sole suppliers to the UK royal family. I drove very briefly (2 laps round Hyde Park) a few months ago, a 57HP (around 9½ litres) 1911 Daimler. With a body about the size of a 4 bedroom house, it was quite staid compared with our 1911 lightweight alloy open body RR Silver Ghost, London to Edinburgh model but amazingly silent - just a gentle hiss. It sounded and felt more like a steam car. You could drop it into top gear at walking speed and not need to change gears again until you came to a halt or had to go down a steep hill. You do leave a smoke screen behind you from the very generous lubrication of the Knight patent sleeve valves and compared with the RR, the brakes would be quite interesting going down a steep hill. There is not much in the way of engine braking. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hektor Posted July 17, 2019 Share #12480  Posted July 17, 2019 18 hours ago, wlaidlaw said: It is a 1952 TD chassis and is known as the Ghia-Aigle MG TD. Thank-you Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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