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Correct William, a 202. 

 

Your turn again. 

 

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Another new one in black and white.

 

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That's pretty! :)

 

It made the very conservative British mass market offerings of the time (Austin, Morris, Ford, etc), look rather primitive. It had independent front suspension, an all synchro gearbox and an overhead valve engine. They are very softly sprung to suit the French roads of the time, which were often heavily crowned and cobbled (pavé). Hence the handling is a touch "roly-poly" like a 2CV. 

 

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I should have recognised the 202 immediately as I photographed this one for sale about two years ago. Perhaps I did not go around the back of the car.

 

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Any thoughts about the black car shown above for the next round? I can start giving clues, but I reckon some people around here will remember it from their youth.

 

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Correct. Here it is.

 

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Your turn.

 

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Next one. Apologies for poor copy. This is from a slide taken with my IIf/Summitar quite a long time ago and scanned with an early Canon flat bed film scanner of around 1200 dpi. I am not only looking for the marque but the name this particular car is known by. 

 

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Dunk,

 

R5B was using Houdaille hydraulic shock absorbers the last time I saw it in the hands of Ludovic Lindsay, not Hartford friction shocks like the car in the picture . I think I can see a yellow chassis and wheels so it is either Romulus R2B or Hanuman II R12B. Because of the yellow flash at the front, I am going to plump for R12B - Hanuman II. This would have been when it was still owned by David Wenman prior to it being bought back by the King of Thailand and I seem to recall it was being driven by Martin Stretton. I don't know if the FIA/FISA have got stricter about 1.5 litre cars running with 2 litre engines in them, as most were doing. R12B is one of the few actually entitled to run a 2 litre engine. The FIA were incredibly slack about this and at a Monaco historic GP a few years ago, some Italians were boasting openly about having 1.6 litre engines in their FJ cars, which is plain cheating. OSCAs and Stanguinellis were overtaking Lola Mk2/Ford cars in a straight line, which is just not possible without cheating. You cannot get more than 80 BHP from a Fiat 1100 engine without it blowing up. The Ford-Cosworth 1100 is putting out over 115 BHP or close to 130 for races where dry sumps are permitted. 

 

If it is R12B this is one of those cars that had an accident (in 1939 with Bira driving) and like an amoeba, seems to have divided into two separate entities. ERA fitted a later type C type chassis to the Chula/Bira car when rebuilding it after the accident, with trailing link Porsche type suspension at the front and slightly deeper side members. Now whereas this was a benefit on older rougher tracks, on modern billiard table (in comparison) smooth tracks, any benefit is almost certainly outweighed by the additional weight. When Bill Morris owned the car in the 1970's and 80's he decided to repair and revert to the original damaged B type chassis, which miraculously, ERA and then BRM had stored. Obviously no wives were permitted on the premises or the damaged chassis would have been in the bin before you could turn round.  Strangely enough, another car seems to have sprung to life around the C type chassis, after removal and is now known as R12C Hanuman III or unkindly as "BitzaHanu". 

 

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Your comment about no wives reminds me of another story which would make a good quiz question. Which racing driver's wife famously entered the pits dressed as a man at a time when ladies were not allowed in the pits and where did this happen?

 

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