alecgold Posted March 21, 2010 Share #121 Posted March 21, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Based on Leica's history with film cameras, I think most of use expected a product life cycle of more than 18 to 24 months when we bought into the M8 If I get cut a drift like I did with my R-D1 I'll think long and hard before I buy an M9 ...or any other Leica digital camera. Best regards to all on the forum... Sam I have a 25 year old M6 tat worked perfect and I didn't feel the need to replace it with an M7 or MP. I have an M8 that works perfect and I don't feel the need to replace it with an M8.2 or M9. So what is the point? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted March 21, 2010 Posted March 21, 2010 Hi alecgold, Take a look here Is the new M8 firmware just around the corner?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
lct Posted March 21, 2010 Share #122 Posted March 21, 2010 Some people feel the need to change more often than you (and i) do apparently. Fortunately for Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islandmike Posted March 21, 2010 Share #123 Posted March 21, 2010 I have a 25 year old M6 tat worked perfect and I didn't feel the need to replace it with an M7 or MP. I have an M8 that works perfect and I don't feel the need to replace it with an M8.2 or M9.So what is the point? I'm kind of with Alec with this one. Just like when I bought a loaf of bread or a washing machine, I bought the M8 for what it was, not what it could become. I bought it so I could produce these kind of images from the 'digital negatives' taken and as long as it does that, I see no problem. If I had wanted a camera with a 24 x 36 or medium format sensor, or some other specification, then I would have done so. Just a light hearted comment.... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/114805-is-the-new-m8-firmware-just-around-the-corner/?do=findComment&comment=1267624'>More sharing options...
mmk60 Posted March 21, 2010 Share #124 Posted March 21, 2010 I am more concerned about the hardware... The shutter, The sensor, etc. Peace Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alecgold Posted March 21, 2010 Share #125 Posted March 21, 2010 When I reread my post, it might have been a bit blunt, but I was in a hurry and didn't intend to be that short. My point is also that I bought the M8 because I expect the build quality to be so well, that I could get really used to it in some months and use it blindly. After that several months period, I hope to be able to use it for years and years to come. Upgrading to the M9 will not bring me a lot more, but cost much more. And I'm not that good that I can take full advantage of the possibilities of a M8, so why the need to get an M9? OTOH, there are now so many M8's second hand, demo's and refurbished, that even I was able to buy one at a (for me) comfortable price! @Islandmike, what a nice picture, she has a beautiful face and sparkling smile and the lens has a very nice bokeh imoh. That is what it is about, having such a nice camera and superb lenses?! @mmk60, why the worry about the shutter/sensor? the shutter should be able to make 100.000 movements before service and I doubt the sensor would give way faster than that. I know there have been permanent frozen shutters, but these have been not that much and many and AFAIK they have been handled under warranty?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chris M Posted March 22, 2010 Share #126 Posted March 22, 2010 Well too all the disagreers and complainers, I have just one more question for all of you, What are you going to do???? if Leica dosn't deliver on all of your firmware request? ... or... only delivers on one or two of them? Are you going to continue to complain about why, what and how come leica couldn't make those changes you requested? and are you still going to hope for another update? and continue too (dream about them)? "I hope not". I'm a positive person who thinks always outside of the box. As I have mentioned many times, there are lots of post processing work arounds for the M8 which most of us are aware of. I believe with the unstable economy and the financial instability of Leica, and given the amount of man hours and money needed to fill numerous requests for firmware changes on the M8, which has been discontinued ie; "no more manufacturing" of M8 .......[iMHO]....... I, thats me, Chris M. does not think Leica should not get wrapped up in trying to make the M8, and all of its nuances better, all though ( there is a little wiggling room for a couple of improvements though, .... the ones that are (fast and easlly fixed or changed) with the least amount of time and financial burden put on an already cash strapped Leica, ..... but.... rather take (everything they have learned from both M8's and M9's) and apply that knowledge and the hard lessons learned towards there newer and latest technology's and implement them into the developement of the NEW M10, ... that they would (Hopefully) deliver in about 3 years. And remember leica is relatively new in the $5,000.00 Plus digital camera market. It is a learning experiance for Leica, would you not all agree? and mistakes are going to be made along the way. And one last comment too those who "think they no everything about the M8 camera" and (all of its design flaws) You might want to consider, or ask yourselves why, why and why? you are .....( still ) .... after so much time continuing to open such threads about firmware updates on the M8." Leica has stated" that they are more than aware of all of your requests for firmware updates and fix requests.And that they would try too remedy some of the requests. Now, what about all of there New stuff thats recently come out?, I would only hope that they would acknowledge and address those (current glitches) in there New stuff first? as to keep the new comers interested and satisfied in (STAYING) and or coming on board with Leica? Maybe we should consider opening new threads about the great qualitys of Leica's products and the M8? too bring (new people) too leica and not rant and rave (3 years after the M8 has been out), about the short comings of a first generation M8 about wether there is an update just around the corner or not, about what Leica can fix and or improve upon?, they've already done some of that with the M9 havn't they? Remember this camera is a great tool to (only) those who truly try too exploit it. The M8 is truly a remarkable digital rangefinder camera and will always be known as (One of Leica's biggest accomplishments). Too all of you fellow brothers and sisters here on the forum, I too admit that an update of any kind would be nice, and what ever may come are way will be a treat. But lets continue to be creative and supportive of are M8's as they are too bring in new people, and too use them to are fullest potential. Amen. This is just my opinion too, ..... "is there new firmware around the corner" .... and my personal thoughts about what, when, how come and why, and "I think not". Thats all it is. Please no slamming and flaming, its just one man thoughts. Have a great day and a fun time. chris m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelos Viskadourakis Posted March 22, 2010 Share #127 Posted March 22, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well too all the disagreers and complainers, I have just one more question for all of you, What are you going to do???? if Leica dosn't deliver on all ...............................................................................................................................This is just my opinion too, ..... "is there new firmware around the corner" .... and my personal thoughts about what, when, how come and why, and "I think not". Thats all it is. Please no slamming and flaming, its just one man thoughts. Have a great day and a fun time. chris m. M8 is not just "a camera" is the entry visa of Leica in the digital market and yes if you like to travel in the M digital world you need to renew your visa and that is the need for corrections in some M8 functions.(the so called upgrades). Those things that are asked for M8 are not new,they were pointed all of them from day one and while the photography community was investing in M8 waiting in good faith for these corrections that were pointed out from day one M9 was introduced and we are all happy but the Leica M digital investment-for the photography community- is lying in the M8 in great numbers and people that allowed the Leica M digital to exist -the M8 owners-are still expecting what was told and is obvious -the corrections pointed out from day one. Again the M8 is not just a Leica camera is the entry visa for Leica in the digital world and is very wise to be treated like that..The discussion came up just after the M9 release without the needed corrections for the M8 that were -i repeat- pointed out from day one and was expected to be addressed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeicaMSeattle Posted March 22, 2010 Share #128 Posted March 22, 2010 Sadly, Mark Brady of Leica Camera in New Jersey sent me an email last week to inform me that there is no immediate date for an M8/8.2 firmware update. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
squarenegs Posted March 22, 2010 Share #129 Posted March 22, 2010 My assumption at this point is that there is a M8 firmware upgrade in the works... They have just released a M8 Beta version to the M9 users to test it and will fix the bugs before releasing it to us Now, I like the sound of that kind of support. Here's hoping! Sam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chris M Posted March 23, 2010 Share #130 Posted March 23, 2010 Well, as I said before, the M9 is out and has some issues to deal with. So Leica should focus 110% of there attention on those firmware issues and updates, period. The M8 is now obsolete, (no longer made), although a great first example of a digital rangefinder. I am sure that I'll be using mine for the next several years perfecting my technique and style in anticipation of the new (M10) where I'm sure most of the problems and idiosynchrosy's of the M8's and M9's should be resolved. To all M8 owners, its time too except the fact that there probably will never ever be another firmware update to the M8. Which I think is fantastic just the way it is. Again I stress that this is my personal belief and inside information from a reliable contact from Leica that there is currently no scheduled release coming at this time or in the near future.110% I believe this too be true. But so what, The M8 is absolutely a fantastic digital camera. Lets all move forward together and start saving for the M10's that are just a few years away. Owe BTW, Leica NJ fixed and calibrated my my 28 cron and 90 apo to my M8 and adjusted my frame lines all for free including a sensor cleaning to. I was 3 months late, out of warranty . but when I sent it in, I thought I had 3 weeks left on the original warranty. they didn't even question the service untill after I called to verify what they had done. I love you guys in NJ!! chris m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 23, 2010 Share #131 Posted March 23, 2010 A firmware update should come 'soon' assording to Leica: M8 firmware update Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbretteville Posted March 23, 2010 Share #132 Posted March 23, 2010 Well, if they do really have a new 35/1.4 coming, the introduction of that should at least trigger a firmware update for the M8s. Whether it adds anything in addition to handling of a new lens would be speculation. Carl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted March 23, 2010 Share #133 Posted March 23, 2010 Well, if they do really have a new 35/1.4 coming, the introduction of that should at least trigger a firmware update for the M8s. Whether it adds anything in addition to handling of a new lens would be speculation.Carl LCT's link specified a fix to the shutter problem. So new lenses appears not to be the main focus of the update. Incidentally, regarding other posts in this thread - why do some people insist on ranting that we should forget all about any updates to our 'obsolete' cameras when Leica themselves have long since stated it's on the way? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted March 23, 2010 Share #134 Posted March 23, 2010 My reading of the mood is more about 'patience' than 'forgetting' about a FW upgrade. But then I don't read it all. Too busy using what I got! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted March 23, 2010 Share #135 Posted March 23, 2010 My reading of the mood is more about 'patience' than 'forgetting' about a FW upgrade. But then I don't read it all. Too busy using what I got! I'm in no rush. If you wasted your time to read the thread (not recommended) you'd see a few people getting quite annoyed that anyones even waiting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chris M Posted March 23, 2010 Share #136 Posted March 23, 2010 I'm in no rush. If you wasted your time to read the thread (not recommended) you'd see a few people getting quite annoyed that anyones even waiting. Thats my point exactly, why wait and start up useless threads about firmware updates that will probably not happen at least for the next year, which would put the M8 in the elderly category. I'm having a blast with my M8!! Its better than brand new since its return from NJ!! I vote to close this thread, how about you brothers and sisters? what do you think? chris m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted March 23, 2010 Share #137 Posted March 23, 2010 I vote to close this thread, how about you brothers and sisters? what do you think? I don't care whether you, me or anyone else thinks this discussion is interesting, boring or whatever - unless someone's being harmed there's no reason to close the thread. Some of us even want to bump it up to the top now and again, just to remind anyone from Leica who may look in now and again that we're still here. If you want to censor debate on an open forum, I'd ask myself why you're here at all, if I were you. And incidentally, I'm really enjoying my M8 too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chris M Posted March 24, 2010 Share #138 Posted March 24, 2010 Plasticman, I'm not attacking you, whats your problem? maybe I can help you? your not making any sense here, this whole issue of wether or not there's going to be another update around the corner has already been answered many times during the past year, with numerous threads. Why don't you do a search on the subject? If you think for one minute I'm speaking too or about you your wrong, and I find it quite offensive for you to attack me personally. And this thread has no bearing on wether or not any "new people viewing this thread" will buy or join the special class of people who enjoy (RANGEFINDER) style camera's. You started your emotional roller coaster ride after my first response to this thread. Get a life Dude, I think you need a lesson or too in reading comprehension. Good luck Too everybody else who is polite and sincere, I wish you all well;) chris m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted March 24, 2010 Share #139 Posted March 24, 2010 Plasticman, I'm not attacking you, whats your problem? maybe I can help you? your not making any sense here, this whole issue of wether or not there's going to be another update around the corner has already been answered many times during the past year, with numerous threads. Why don't you do a search on the subject? If you think for one minute I'm speaking too or about you your wrong, and I find it quite offensive for you to attack me personally. And this thread has no bearing on wether or not any "new people viewing this thread" will buy or join the special class of people who enjoy (RANGEFINDER) style camera's. You started your emotional roller coaster ride after my first response to this thread. Get a life Dude, I think you need a lesson or too in reading comprehension. Good luck Too everybody else who is polite and sincere, I wish you all well;) chris m. Um, Chris, with all due respect, Mani didn't attack you personally or respond overly emotionally in his post. He simply pointed out that, since you seem to know exactly when the next M8 firmware is coming (not till next year) and since you don't seem to care about it, then why are you bothering to post in this thread, let alone suggesting the thread be closed?? Some of us don't have your inside-Leica information, and even if we did, I'd rather keep the pressure on Leica to fix the remaining M8 bugs. Reliability is a big deal for me And since Leica has made it known they read the forum, Mani's suggesting of gently reminding them that they have a substantial M8 constituency out here is not a bad idea at all, especially when I'm sure they have S2 and M9 fish to fry, so to speak. So I'm not sure why you responded quite so stridently; Mani was making a civil point, IMO. And we all love our M8s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 24, 2010 Share #140 Posted March 24, 2010 Thats my point exactly, why wait and start up useless threads about firmware updates that will probably not happen at least for the next year... How do you know this? Did you read my post above? What do you think about it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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