Guest JMF Posted March 25, 2012 Share #481 Posted March 25, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Very sweet indeed Bruno ! Had a go with my recently CLAd 90 Elmar Collapsible, this time with a 486 filter and a proper hood . Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/110554-m8-and-old-glass/?do=findComment&comment=1964037'>More sharing options...
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!Nomad64 Posted March 25, 2012 Share #482 Posted March 25, 2012 Very sweet indeed Bruno !Had a go with my recently CLAd 90 Elmar Collapsible, this time with a 486 filter and a proper hood . Well caught, jmanivelle! This image proves if ever necessary that older glasses are more versatile than most users might think. After all there's been a golden era in which photographers did everything with three lenses and 100 ASA were high speed films. What I was not prepared to - and it's been very pleasant a surprise - is the blend of sharpness and creaminess these lenses deliver, two qualities that at first sight are at odds each other and that make an oxymoron when in the same sentence. Albeit being not so much of a lab guy I tried to conjugate that with the MTF graphs. I'm under the strong impression that those qualities might be revealed by very high rendition curves at 5 and 10 lpm and low values at 20 and 40 lpm. This might explain the good retention of structures details (5 and 10 lpm) and the impression of creaminess over finer textures. But I might prove wrong. Bruno Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JMF Posted March 25, 2012 Share #483 Posted March 25, 2012 Here having fun with natural MTF charts and a 50 summicron Rigid 2 1969, a younger lad and still an old glass ! Cheers Jean-Marc Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/110554-m8-and-old-glass/?do=findComment&comment=1964302'>More sharing options...
Aviator Posted March 30, 2012 Share #484 Posted March 30, 2012 (edited) Very nice ... And this ist the 78 year old Grandfather of your Summicron: 1934 vintage uncoated Summar Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited March 30, 2012 by Aviator 5 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/110554-m8-and-old-glass/?do=findComment&comment=1968600'>More sharing options...
Aviator Posted April 1, 2012 Share #485 Posted April 1, 2012 (edited) Vintage Look 1934 Summar @ f 6,3 DNG with Adobe Camera Raw: ca 800K warmer, +75 contrast, + 25 color saturation Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited April 1, 2012 by Aviator 7 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/110554-m8-and-old-glass/?do=findComment&comment=1969979'>More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted April 1, 2012 Share #486 Posted April 1, 2012 Very nice image with "that look" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Lomo Posted April 6, 2012 Share #487 Posted April 6, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) with Elmar 90/4 (1950) @4, no filter. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacha Malley Posted April 7, 2012 Share #488 Posted April 7, 2012 Proenca, That image is remarkable. It looks like a watercolour. And to my mind, when photography recalls drawing or painting, it's reached the peak. I recently bought a 35mm Summicron with goggles, which I've mostly used on the film camera though, what the heck, I should put it on the M8. You've inspired me. Regards, Mark Hi, I have just bought an m8 and would like to get a first lens, i'm on a budget and I like my images to look as if its film, I also like the look of the classic older chrome lenses. Could you please recommend one suitable for street photos. Many thanks Sacha. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted April 7, 2012 Share #489 Posted April 7, 2012 Sacha, Welcome to the forum and congratulations on your 'new' M8! It really depends on what focal length you feel comfortable with when shooting on the street; for example, with a 28 mm you need get much closer to your subject but a 50 mm will allow you a little more distance and a ledger comfort zone if you're getting started with street. If you're looking for some photographer's 'holy grail' of making digital look like film then an older lower contrast lens is likely to help you more than a modern aspherical lens. On the basis of what I've written you'll be able to find a Canon 50/1.4 screw mount lens cheaply and you can use it with a LTM to M adaptor; I recommend the Voigtlander 50/75 version 2 for that, which is available from CameraQuest. This will offer you an affordable starter lens but I feel sure you'll receive plenty of other recommendations from members on this thread. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 8, 2012 Share #490 Posted April 8, 2012 Sacha, A word of warning on old lenses. I would get someone who knows his stuff, to check whatever lens you buy and try and negotiate a sale or return, if unsatisfactory, agreement. Digital cameras are much fussier on accurate back/front focus than film cameras, as many owners of the quite expensive 35mm f1.4 ASPH Summilux discovered after they bought an M8. In addition, fungus growth can be an issue with older lenses. Even quite small amounts of fungus will reduce contrast and increase veiling flare. I think Pete's suggestion of a Canon 50/1.4 is very good but wide open, this has a quite soft vintage look to the images. IMHO it works better on black and white than it does on colour. My personal choice (but it is fiddly) would be a Zeiss Opton Sonnar 50/f1.5 in Contax mount with an Amadeo Muscelli Contax to Leica M adapter (Amadeo sells on Fleabay and his adapters are beautifully made with coding pits). Buying a Zeiss Sonnar in LTM is a big risk as a very high percentage of these are faked from the very variable quality Russian/Ukranian Jupiter 3's. A good one is just fine but you would have to be lucky! On the other hand you could buy say 4 Jupiter 3's in LTM for the price of the Canon, keep the best one and sell the other 3 ;-}} In reality I would probably go for an early/mid 1960's 50/f2 Summicron. Not that much different optically from today's lens (which is just about to be replaced - ? May 10 or Photokina), robust, sharp, small and light. If you end up not liking it, it has the additional merit of being very easy to sell. Have a look at page 2 of this thread http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-collectors-historica/224520-lenses-were-better-than-leitz.html and you will see some comparative shots, with centre and edge crops, that I took with 3 different 50mm lenses, a 1953 Leica Summitar, 1954 Zeiss Sonnar and a modern Zeiss ZM 50/f2 Planar. I am afraid for sharpness, the modern Planar wins the day but not by a country mile from the 54 Sonnar. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 8, 2012 Share #491 Posted April 8, 2012 Sacha, A little bit of further information on the Canon 50/f1.4. I had one of these lenses but sold it after I got my Muscelli adapter so that I could use the Sonnar off my Contax IIA on my Leica M's. If you like the look of images taken wide open with a 50 f1 or 1.2 Leica Noctilux, you will love the Canon. The reason is that it has the same technical issue as the Noctiluxes - Coma or spherical aberration, when used wide open. Remember this was a manually computed lens (probably apocryphally, computed by a roomful of retired Japanese lady maths teachers and bookkeepers with abacuses). Given that Canon had next to no experience of this sort of lens, the end result was amazing good for the time and circumstances in which it was designed, when in post war Japan, materials and high quality machinery were in very short supply. It does crisp up a fair bit when you stop it down but the contrast never is as high as the Sonnar. I prefer higher contrast and as I rarely used the Canon, decided to sell. 2 years ago, I got £360 for it on eBay, to give you an idea on pricing. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
!Nomad64 Posted April 8, 2012 Share #492 Posted April 8, 2012 Hi, I have just bought an m8 and would like to get a first lens, i'm on a budget and I like my images to look as if its film, I also like the look of the classic older chrome lenses. Could you please recommend one suitable for street photos.Many thanks Sacha. Sacha, if those are your requirements and you do NOT need high speed lenses get yourself an Elmar 50/3.5 an/or a Summaron 35/3.5. Both being very sweet and classic lenses - hey, Elmar actually made the history of Leitz and 35 mm photography! - and have no focus shift issues at all. As of today they can be had for a song but almost always they require some CLA as they're quite prone to haze/fogging. When light gets dimmer you can compensate by setting higher ISO on the M8. At ISO 640 digital noise resembles very closely the grain of a 400 ISO film. At ISO 1250 it resembles the grain of a 400 ISO pushed at 800 or higher. If you then convert yr images into B/W the impression becomes... an illusion. And in any case pls remember that in those days 100 ISO were high speed films... Hope this helps Bruno P.S. if you want to have a look of what's possible to do even today with older jewelery pls have a look at this thread by Bateleur: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-collectors-historica/213197-leica-iii-love-affair.html and visit his gallery. It's really worth your time. I visit it when I need to clear my clocks and start to feel an incoming GAS attack... He did it all as it used to be in good old days with just three lenses: Summaron 35/3.5, Elmar 50/3.5 and Elmar 90/4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
!Nomad64 Posted April 8, 2012 Share #493 Posted April 8, 2012 A test shot with the LTM Canon Serenar 85/1.5 I inherited from my father. When I was younger it used to be my very favourite lens. Quite a difficult beast to tame for it leaves no margin to focusing mistakes but when focus is dead on it can deliver stunning results. It's a schizophrenic lens with double personality. At full aperture it's a real bokeh machine, I would say... hamiltonesque? but at lower apertures it becomes very sharp and even on all field. Bruno Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/110554-m8-and-old-glass/?do=findComment&comment=1977067'>More sharing options...
!Nomad64 Posted April 8, 2012 Share #494 Posted April 8, 2012 A test shot with the LTM Canon Serenar 50/1.5, this too from my father. It's a Sonnar and it shows, albeit I never detected any focus shift thus looking superior even to today's real McCoy. At least to me! In my late youth when I began understanding the importance of traveling light this became the only lens I really needed and it perennially resided on my (his) RF Canon. Those were also the days in which I craved for a Barnack but could not afford it. Today, 30 years and 10 cameras later the circle has closed. I got my IIIf with period lenses which I test on the M8 and not disdaining to mix and match with my father's set. Bruno Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/110554-m8-and-old-glass/?do=findComment&comment=1977078'>More sharing options...
!Nomad64 Posted April 9, 2012 Share #495 Posted April 9, 2012 Another test shot with the LTM Elmar 90/4 and a 100% crop just to prove it's no slouch at all. God only knows how much do I like this tiny jewel... Bruno Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/110554-m8-and-old-glass/?do=findComment&comment=1978746'>More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted April 9, 2012 Share #496 Posted April 9, 2012 Wonderful thread, I am going to read more and look to buy some old glass, I love my Summilux 50 V2. I nearly bought a pre asph 35 summilux, but went for a pre FLE 35 lux asph. It still has some classic rendering and is more than sharp enough. To my eyes it is a modern classic rather than just modern. The FLE somehow looks too sharp and moves in and out of focus a little too severely. To add a little irony I thought a picture that encapsulates modern times might assist, as my partner and her sister watch a video on a piece of electronics the size of a cigarette box..... This is a 18 year old design an early asph if it helps (35mm Summilux asph 1994-2010, both at f1.4) ! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 5 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/110554-m8-and-old-glass/?do=findComment&comment=1978779'>More sharing options...
Guest JMF Posted April 10, 2012 Share #497 Posted April 10, 2012 A test shot with the LTM Canon Serenar 85/1.5 I inherited from my father.When I was younger it used to be my very favourite lens. Quite a difficult beast to tame for it leaves no margin to focusing mistakes but when focus is dead on it can deliver stunning results. It's a schizophrenic lens with double personality. At full aperture it's a real bokeh machine, I would say... hamiltonesque? but at lower apertures it becomes very sharp and even on all field. Bruno Beautiful pictures Bruno, are you handholding the heavy Canon 85/1.5? Cheers, Jean-Marc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
!Nomad64 Posted April 10, 2012 Share #498 Posted April 10, 2012 Thank you very much, Jean-Marc. Yes, not too shabby for being test shots. And yes, I was handholding the monster. In those peculiar cases it was easy because the sun had already arisen and I could shoot at 1/8000. Otherwise I must be very careful about what I do because it's quite heavy, something like 4 to 500 grams of glass and chromed brass plus the all metal shade. It has no tripod hole itself and the IIIf I use it with has the tripod hole all on one side thus making it quite unstable and prone to deform the camera bottom because of the leverage. Cheers, Bruno Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted April 10, 2012 Share #499 Posted April 10, 2012 Sacha, Welcome to the forum and congratulations on your 'new' M8! It really depends on what focal length you feel comfortable with when shooting on the street; for example, with a 28 mm you need get much closer to your subject but a 50 mm will allow you a little more distance and a ledger comfort zone if you're getting started with street. If you're looking for some photographer's 'holy grail' of making digital look like film then an older lower contrast lens is likely to help you more than a modern aspherical lens. On the basis of what I've written you'll be able to find a Canon 50/1.4 screw mount lens cheaply and you can use it with a LTM to M adaptor; I recommend the Voigtlander 50/75 version 2 for that, which is available from CameraQuest. This will offer you an affordable starter lens but I feel sure you'll receive plenty of other recommendations from members on this thread. Pete. Sacha, (Apologies for quoting myself to keep the trail warm.) There is a Canon 50/1.4 for sale here for $425. I have no connection to the lens or seller and only post to provide an example of a current price. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikP Posted April 15, 2012 Share #500 Posted April 15, 2012 Hektor 135/4.5 Serial 1312XXX Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/110554-m8-and-old-glass/?do=findComment&comment=1983995'>More sharing options...
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