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We all can more or less voluntarily i guess. Best way is to take multiple measurements and average them imho.
Agreed, but being a physicist by training I did that (about 10 tests if I recall, was some time ago) and none of the shots were "earlier than 0", most were exactly on zero and 1 or maybe 2 shots showed a very slight lag of 0.05 seconds. So we have roughly lag = 0.1/10 = 0.01 seconds and error is also in that ballpark so we have a lag range of 0 - 0.02 seconds.

 

I don't think I am good enough as a photographer to "guess the lag", so this seems like a reasonable measurement to me. Maybe we can make a more accurate timer by tweaking the code? Probably is javascript or so, but I haven't checked.

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This is the test i was looking for. Thanks for retrieving it. I found 0.07 seconds for the M8 a couple of years ago. The R-D1 did 0.05 and the 5D1 0.09 sec if memory serves. Did not test the M9 though.
The M9 should be similar. Same shutter as the M8.2 and nearly the same as the M8.
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I wonder how the M8's cropped sensor fits into the equation.

 

Theoretically, if you fired both M9 and M8.2 shutter at the same instant, the shutter slit has to travel further in the M8.2 before it exposes the sensor. That dark time should add to the effective delay. :confused:

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I wonder how the M8's cropped sensor fits into the equation.

 

Theoretically, if you fired both M9 and M8.2 shutter at the same instant, the shutter slit has to travel further in the M8.2 before it exposes the sensor. That dark time should add to the effective delay. :confused:

 

Theoretically, you are right.

 

But the speed of the shutter curtains are fast. Actually, I mean very fast (about 6m/s = 20ft/s.).

 

The difference from M8 to M9 are 6mm (24 vs. 18mm), a distance the shutter curtains covers in 0.001 seconds.

 

This is almost nothing compared to the 0.08 sec shutter delay of the M8/M9, that time the camera electronic and mechanic needs to move the shutter after the button was pressed.

 

Stefan

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Yes the travel time of the shutter curtains is very short indeed (0.003 sec). You can see this in

I made at 1200 frames/second while the shutter is operated with a cable release (on the left). Shutter lag can also be seen as well as re-cocking of the shutter, very well damped indeed. This is also a nice way to check actual shutter times and whether the sensor becomes completely free for flash sync.

 

 

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You can also establish shutter lag with sound. Here two releases of the M9, one with 1/60 sec. (top panel) and one with 1/30 sec. (bottom panel) shutter time, sampled at 44.100 Hz. The first burst of sound happens right when pressing the button. Then there is a 0.09 second silence and the first curtain starts to travel, shown by the second burst. The third burst is the sound of travel of the second curtain, closing off the sensor. Remarkable how similar the sound waves are due to the exact way the mechanism of the shutter is operated. Every time the same way.

 

m9at30and60wavs.png

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Ah yes i forgot those old posts thanks.

 

 

...funny how these threads sometimes spin out of control. I am the OP, and was genuinely taken aback at the descernible shutter lag between my MPs and my newly-acquired M9.

 

Gotta love this forum - first there was indignation that I could have the sheer effrontery to suggest there was a lag, then I was ridiculed (by forum members who really should know better) for being superhuman enough to be able to detect the lag. Others said it was just perception, my dietary and/or drinking habits, substance abuse etc., etc. (of course I jest). Thankfully, some progressive forum members had the common sense and courtesy to actually investigate the matter before responding to the question I originally posted.

 

Then Stefan Daniel was quoted. Eureka!

 

I didn't need Herr Daniel's input. The M9 lasted approximately four days with me - it was never going to improve my photography. Nor my puddle-jumping capturing technique.

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It's even funnier, aesop, that the thread is now more than twice as long as it was when Edi reported the answer from Stefan Daniel in that post.

 

It's taken longer to get to the answer the second time. ;)

 

Thanks for reminding us of the déjà vu.

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This thread reminds me of a quote attributed to Schopenhauer: "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

 

We have reached that third stage. :)

 

...truly amazing, zlatkob - there was even a feckless reference to my user name, the suggestion being that I was merely delivering yet another fable. Really.

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