stunsworth Posted August 10, 2009 Share #161 Posted August 10, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Ok John, you don't think they're releasing a camera. I have no idea. Lets see what happens on the 9th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 10, 2009 Posted August 10, 2009 Hi stunsworth, Take a look here Leica refuses to confirm M9 launch.... I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
JBA Posted August 10, 2009 Share #162 Posted August 10, 2009 This is my favorite Leica rumor thread ever! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted August 10, 2009 Share #163 Posted August 10, 2009 Stunsworth, I didn't say I don't think they are releasing a camera in September. I just don't think it will be a FF M9. I think they will announce an M8.x and probably a rebadged 4/3rds, neither of which would have the financial impact of a FF M9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 10, 2009 Share #164 Posted August 10, 2009 If you have ever been involved in the preparation of an annual report with a public company and certified public accountants you know that every word has to be scrutinized carefully for possible impact. It doesn't matter if 98% of the stock is privately owned. The law is designed to protect the minority shareholder from the majority shareholder(s). Something like an M9 release within 30 days of releasing their financial report without any disclosure and a negative accountant's report would be seen as giving insiders an unfair advantage because it is a material event that would positively impact the share price. I can see that and that is only reasonable, but wouldn't there have to be actual trading to allege insider knowledge trading? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adli Posted August 10, 2009 Share #165 Posted August 10, 2009 This is my favorite Leica rumor thread ever! And the best part, it stays one thread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted August 10, 2009 Share #166 Posted August 10, 2009 There is trading though the volume is quite low. The image below was taken from the web site of a company that sell financial information. It hasn't been updated to reflect the latest annual report yet. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/92603-leica-refuses-to-confirm-m9-launch/?do=findComment&comment=989352'>More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted August 10, 2009 Share #167 Posted August 10, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) This is my favorite Leica rumor thread ever! Fab isn't it . . . and it isn't even bad tempered - I'm loving it too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 10, 2009 Share #168 Posted August 10, 2009 There is trading though the volume is quite low. The image below was taken from the web site of a company that sell financial information. It hasn't been updated to reflect the latest annual report yet.Interesting, thanks. I don't know German corporate law, but I do know it is quite different from for instance the USA. It is an interesting point you made.Well, anyway, as with all rumours, time will tell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBA Posted August 10, 2009 Share #169 Posted August 10, 2009 And the best part, it stays one thread And if things get slow here, we have "M9 rumors saved me from madness" and "Poetry of the M9" to keep ourselves amused! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted August 10, 2009 Share #170 Posted August 10, 2009 Has there been an M10 rumour thread yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBA Posted August 10, 2009 Share #171 Posted August 10, 2009 Has there been an M10 rumour thread yet? Now, now . . . we wouldn't want to jump the gun, would we? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted August 10, 2009 Share #172 Posted August 10, 2009 Now, now . . . we wouldn't want to jump the gun, would we? erm. . . why on earth not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeicaS2 Posted August 10, 2009 Share #173 Posted August 10, 2009 I suspect they are launching a Lecia version of this Panansonic GF1, since it seems to have Leica lenses. link: Panasonic preps retro Micro Four-Thirds camera ? Register Hardware Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbretteville Posted August 10, 2009 Share #174 Posted August 10, 2009 Has there been an M10 rumour thread yet? No, but just wait until the evening of the day of the M9 announcement... Carl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaryink Posted August 10, 2009 Share #175 Posted August 10, 2009 The real concern is not the production of the kit but rather the long term ability of Leica to support these cameras. If Leica were to fold, these digital kits will be very difficult to have repaired and be virtually worthless on any sort of resale market. Witness what has happened to Leaf in the most recent fall out. The comparison is valid and a real concern for the purchaser. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 10, 2009 Share #176 Posted August 10, 2009 Well, Leica has split up the factory and the repair department, so that should be a bit more safe for continuity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted August 10, 2009 Share #177 Posted August 10, 2009 Apologies accepted, no harm done. I still find this hard to believe too I cannot believe it either... The M8.2 seems to be out of stock... here in Spain. Leica doesn't serve more units... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted August 10, 2009 Share #178 Posted August 10, 2009 If Leica were to fold, these digital kits will be very difficult to have repaired and be virtually worthless on any sort of resale market And I could be run over by a bus tomorrow. Remember the line about nothing being certain in life other than death and taxes? I can't say I've ever bought any piece of camera or electronic equipment with the thought of what it would be worth when I sell it in mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbarker13 Posted August 10, 2009 Share #179 Posted August 10, 2009 Something like an M9 release within 30 days of releasing their financial report without any disclosure and a negative accountant's report would be seen as giving insiders an unfair advantage because it is a material event that would positively impact the share price. Barjohn, I'm not following your logic here. I mean, at some point, a new product is going to be released. It doesn't matter whether it's a day, a week or a month, etc. after the release of a financial report. The insiders will always have the advantage of knowledge over the outsiders. It's the way it's supposed to be. They only get in trouble when they use that knowledge for personal gain. For example, if there was a lot of insider trading activity in days leading up to a new product launch - that's the sort of thing that could attract the attention of regulators. But I'm not aware of any U.S. securities laws that prohibit a company from launching a new product in the days after revealing its financial results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted August 10, 2009 Share #180 Posted August 10, 2009 Checking Price: (NB - all of the following is based on the RUMORED price of a RUMORED M9 FF RUMORED to be released Sept. 9, 2009) A 5,500 euro price for the M9 translates to $7,789 US at today's rates - that's a worst-case scenario that assumes the euro price doesn't include VAT. If it does, the US price (before tax) would be about 15% +/- lower - $6,779. (With the usual caveat that Leica's prices often do not translate directly in any event from country to country - depends on the local market) The M8.2 current costs $5,995 (per B&H - no rebates or discounts or hidden prices available). So - worst case - the M9 would be 30% more than a cropped M8.2 For comparison (all prices ex B&H web site today except discontinued D2Xs - rebates and cart prices applied) Nikon D700 (FF) vs. Nikon D300 (crop) = $2,699 vs. $1,599 = 68% more Nikon D3x(FF) vs. Nikon D2xs (crop) = $7,499 vs. $5,893 (at introduction) = 27% more Canon 5D (FF) vs. Canon 50D (crop) = $ 2,699 vs, $1,129 = 139% more Canon 1Dsiii (FF) vs. Canon 1Diii (crop) = $6,499 vs. $3,699 = 75% more A 30% premium (if accurate) to get a FF sensor over cropped is pretty damned good by today's standards. -------- Leica financials were released Aug. 6 - theoretical M9 release date is Sept. 9: That's 34 days (if it even matters). Eventually idiotic posts like barjohn's are going to result in internet libel laws. Who's to say he isn't trash-talking Leica in order to buy shares cheap? (Not ME! - but the SEC or Germany's equivalent might take notice). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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