bill Posted June 15, 2009 Share #241 Posted June 15, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) ...true, Señor Barton, but I was thinking "time" not "space". Then again, maybe our illuminati have a different take on time. Thanks. The majority of those of us who have had the patience and forebearance to contribute to this thread and who actually take pictures have links to websites, galleries etc in our signatures. Feel free to follow those links. I cannot speak for everybody, but I always welcome comments, good or bad. From memory, by the way, Kenneth does not because he shoots film and is happy not to bother either scanning or posting, as is his right. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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andybarton Posted June 15, 2009 Share #242 Posted June 15, 2009 Images I have seen from the 5D have that Canon "encased in plastic" look about them. Aggressive noise reduction and smoothing in camera? I don't know. The 5DII may be better in this regard. It's the stop-down metering that's the pain on all these third party options, Canon and Nikon included. As one who sold his DMR (for a good price, it has to be said), but kept all his R glass, I do feel somewhat let down by Friday's announcement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted June 15, 2009 Share #243 Posted June 15, 2009 Images I have seen from the 5D have that Canon "encased in plastic" look about them. Aggressive noise reduction and smoothing in camera? I don't know. The 5DII may be better in this regard. It's the stop-down metering that's the pain on all these third party options, Canon and Nikon included. As one who sold his DMR (for a good price, it has to be said), but kept all his R glass, I do feel somewhat let down by Friday's announcement. Andy, I've recently bought a 20D primarily to use with my R lenses for times when I need to shoot digital. Not exactly cutting edge now I know, but should suit my purposes adequately. I've yet to try it out properly, but I'm interested to see how the files look on Leica glass after PP. I know what you mean by 'plastic' images and I'm hoping that's just over zealous PP on the part of the photographer. I've also seen some very pleasing results from Canon's. Having only held the 400 and 1000D before I must say that the 20 (and equivalent later models I'm sure) have a much better feel to them - the 1000D might be a perfectly good camera but it felt like a cheap toy. Likewise I'm disappointed by the demise of the R digital. It would certainly have been out of my reach initially, but something for the future perhaps. I'm still dedicated to film as my primary medium however, so maybe I can afford to add some more R glass now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 15, 2009 Share #244 Posted June 15, 2009 Why don't those who shoot with R lenses get a Canon dSLR to shoot digital with them? I am considering a used 5D for just this reason. I have seen some excellent results from this combination and see no reason why people wouldn't be happy with it.. Been there, tried that. Yuk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBA Posted June 15, 2009 Share #245 Posted June 15, 2009 I can relate to what you are doing as making sense. I believe that the quality of a 35mm film or better slide is still better than Digital M8 ( I have not seen the side by side technical comparison or as see in real life projection, but intuitively you are probably right!) I prefer the look of film for my images and simply love working with it. I have friends who are very accomplished M8 photographers who produce stunning work in digital. The endless and fruitless debate about which has the better resolution, etc. does not interest me at all. Shooting 20 to 30 rolls per month ( 1000 shots per month) sounds expensive, and I guess is time consuming unless you have a pro lab supporting you which I do not. In S.France it takes 2 weeks now to process a slide film and 1 week for colour film...Worse the devt quality does not do justice to the film stock and camera / lenses unless you identify a full pro lab. and pay the price. Accessing pro film (kept in a fridge) for highest quality work is also very difficult, although not impossible. Yes, it's expensive, but I didn't set out to use film and use Leica with any illusions that it would be a cheap ride. Fortunately, Tokyo is a film shooter's paradise. Kodachrome, of which I shoot far more than any other film at this point, is only available by mail order for me, both film and processing. This is the place: A trusted name in photo processing for over 50 years - Dwayne's Photo If you want to shoot film, mail order is your friend. Personally I would just go with digital and be able to belt off 500+ raw pictures on one high speed 4Gg memory chip before changing it. My personal view is that digital is already good enough, and is the future. The issue for Leica is how do they ride the wave with a M digital camera that can only take wide to 90mm shots. ? Digital is not the future for me if it is the only option available. I would have no problem shooting it alongside film if Leica comes up with a digital M I'm happy with, but judging by how little I use the digital camera I have, it would hardly be worth the investment for me. Leica has been doing fine with the M series for over 50 years with the limited range of focal lengths available, but that range covers around 90% of what most people shoot, especially with an M. Don't see why this is suddenly a problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted June 16, 2009 Share #246 Posted June 16, 2009 ...Leica has been doing fine with the M series for over 50 years with the limited range of focal lengths available, but that range covers around 90% of what most people shoot, especially with an M. Don't see why this is suddenly a problem. That is self affirming circular logic. Actually the M is capable of doing 100% of the photos that all people shoot with an M. How do you define, "doing fine?" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBA Posted June 16, 2009 Share #247 Posted June 16, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) That is self affirming circular logic. Actually the M is capable of doing 100% of the photos that all people shoot with an M. How do you define, "doing fine?" Alan, what I meant was that most people using any camera will end up shooting a majority of their photos with those focal lengths anyway. The M covers this range with some of the finest optics ever made, which is the reason people like us continue to use them. "Doing fine" in this case means having the gold standard in rangefinder and lens design, and continuing to produce film cameras when other manufacturers have abandoned the segment (with the notable exception of Zeiss and CV). Hard to improve on the MP. But this is speaking purely from my film bias. Where Leica is not doing fine in my opinion is in their abandoning the previously announced R10 for some indeterminate "good solution" for existing R glass. I'd have been genuinely interested in going digital with a "baby S2" design that allowed me to use my existing R lenses. No matter how spectacular the S2 turns out to be, I'm simply not prepared to jump ship to an entirely new system, particularly at the likely price point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BigSplash Posted June 16, 2009 Share #248 Posted June 16, 2009 Alan, what I meant was that most people using any camera will end up shooting a majority of their photos with those focal lengths anyway. The M covers this range with some of the finest optics ever made, which is the reason people like us continue to use them. "Doing fine" in this case means having the gold standard in rangefinder and lens design, and continuing to produce film cameras when other manufacturers have abandoned the segment (with the notable exception of Zeiss and CV). Hard to improve on the MP. But this is speaking purely from my film bias. Where Leica is not doing fine in my opinion is in their abandoning the previously announced R10 for some indeterminate "good solution" for existing R glass. I'd have been genuinely interested in going digital with a "baby S2" design that allowed me to use my existing R lenses. No matter how spectacular the S2 turns out to be, I'm simply not prepared to jump ship to an entirely new system, particularly at the likely price point. I keep reading about a Leica "R" to Canon DSLR adapter..: > Who makes this, where can I get it and what is the rough price? > Does it fit every Canon DSLR with EOS bayonnet or just certain models? > Does the bayonnet allow for the usual camera handshaking with the lens (Auto Focus, Aperture control etc.? ) > Is there any benefit of using "R" lenses compared to the Canon ones? I am thinking maybe it is time to buy some discounted "R" lenses....Thanks for any help on this one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted June 16, 2009 Share #249 Posted June 16, 2009 I keep reading about a Leica "R" to Canon DSLR adapter..:> Who makes this, where can I get it and what is the rough price? > Does it fit every Canon DSLR with EOS bayonnet or just certain models? > Does the bayonnet allow for the usual camera handshaking with the lens (Auto Focus, Aperture control etc.? ) > Is there any benefit of using "R" lenses compared to the Canon ones? I am thinking maybe it is time to buy some discounted "R" lenses....Thanks for any help on this one. Search on eBay you'll find them easily. The price range is from approx £15 to much more expensive. The one I have was sold by Cameraquest and is very well made. The adaptors will fit any Canon camera with an EOS fitting. Aperture control is stop down. but some adaptors have a chip fitted that will allow focus confirmation. Not all Leica lenses will work with all Canon bodies. There is a compatibility chart on the web, but to find it I'd have to use Google, so I'll leave that to you. The main problem is with wide angle lenses and the 5D. The advantages of using R lenses is the same as using R lenses with film. Image quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted June 16, 2009 Share #250 Posted June 16, 2009 I paid £20 for mine (found on e bay) which has the focus confirmation chip - seems to work well but I've yet to put it to proper use. The advantage for me is that I already have R lenses, and just had to add a Canon body, which will be used alongside my R3 for times when I need/want to shoot digital. I will no doubt add some Canon glass in any case for full functionality when that will be preferable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BigSplash Posted June 16, 2009 Share #251 Posted June 16, 2009 I paid £20 for mine (found on e bay) which has the focus confirmation chip - seems to work well but I've yet to put it to proper use. The advantage for me is that I already have R lenses, and just had to add a Canon body, which will be used alongside my R3 for times when I need/want to shoot digital. I will no doubt add some Canon glass in any case for full functionality when that will be preferable. Thanks for the feedback....this represents ctually a great way forward for my daughter who has a Canon 50D and a Canon Zoom ...the idea of buying lots of "R" optics will be I am sure appealing to her. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 16, 2009 Share #252 Posted June 16, 2009 Put them on the kitchen scales before burdening your daughter with them. Especially in the longer focal lengths the weight difference to other brands can be quite pronounced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenneth Posted June 16, 2009 Share #253 Posted June 16, 2009 The majority of those of us who have had the patience and forebearance to contribute to this thread and who actually take pictures have links to websites, galleries etc in our signatures. Feel free to follow those links. I cannot speak for everybody, but I always welcome comments, good or bad. From memory, by the way, Kenneth does not because he shoots film and is happy not to bother either scanning or posting, as is his right. Regards, Bill Yes you are quite right Bill- thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted June 17, 2009 Share #254 Posted June 17, 2009 ...contribute... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenneth Posted June 17, 2009 Share #255 Posted June 17, 2009 But Bill also said "Kenneth does not because he shoots film and is happy not to bother either scanning or posting, as is his right." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBA Posted June 17, 2009 Share #256 Posted June 17, 2009 I think perhaps Rob was questioning whether posting on this thread counts as any kind of "contribution" to the forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 17, 2009 Share #257 Posted June 17, 2009 Images I have seen from the 5D have that Canon "encased in plastic" look about them. Aggressive noise reduction and smoothing in camera? I don't know... Neither do I. IQ wise my pics with the 5D and Leica lenses are the best i've got so far. No plasticy look at all and no in-camera smothing in RAW mode either. FWIW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenneth Posted June 17, 2009 Share #258 Posted June 17, 2009 I think perhaps Rob was questioning whether posting on this thread counts as any kind of "contribution" to the forum. I guess it is difficult to tell if posters are so vague with thier comments Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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