UliWer Posted September 10, 2008 Share #121 Posted September 10, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Did anyone so far think about filter size, angle of view and how the rangefinder of M3 to M8 will cope with such lenses? There should be some kind of new image viewing/finding idea on the way as well... A 21-Summilux certainly won't let you use the viewfinder of any M. The M3 had only frames for 50-mm, from the M4 on to the M7/MP you may have frames for 28-mm but nothing beyond. The M8 gives you frames for 24-mmm which theoretically might be useful for a 24-Summilux but not the 21. I have big doubts that bulky lenses like these will give you a chance to see more than half of your viewfinder's image, so you won't even have a chance to guess as many users did with wide-angel lenses in the past. So you will have to use an external finder: the "Frankenfinder" for the Wate will be the option. There are smaller external finders on the market, but most of them give no good view; certainly the Leica 21-24-28-Finder (400,-€) does not. The large lense and the external finder will add probably more than 50% to your M's weight. A Visoflex on your M will appear tiny and handy compared to this innovation. Filters - obligatory for the use with the M8 - will be above 60mm and probably cost more than 150 €. Add the price of the external viewfinder. If all those rumours about the wide-angel Summiluxes are right - i still hope they are not - you may soon have the option to spend spend about 150% of the modest M8-price on a single lense and get a SUV-M. Think big (or hope for the official news by leica on next monday). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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UliWer Posted September 10, 2008 Share #122 Posted September 10, 2008 A 21 Lux makes a lot of sense on an M8. It will be a fraction of the size of a dslr lens, too. You also don't need a finder to compose with it on the m8 (at least, I don't--it's one of my favourite focal lengths on a cropped body). Interesting! Did you already have a chance to test the 21 Lux? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manolo Posted September 10, 2008 Share #123 Posted September 10, 2008 A 21 Lux makes a lot of sense on an M8. It will be a fraction of the size of a dslr lens, too. You also don't need a finder to compose with it on the m8 (at least, I don't--it's one of my favourite focal lengths on a cropped body). I don't ether and it is also my favourite Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 10, 2008 Share #124 Posted September 10, 2008 There is not a big problem using a 21 without finder. I too do so all the time, although I have the 21-24-28 in my bag. It is not all that bad as made out here, btw, quite a nice finder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted September 10, 2008 Share #125 Posted September 10, 2008 There is not a big problem using a 21 without finder I think the complaint being made here is that the 21/F1.4 may be so physically large that it will block an uncomfortably large portion of the rangefinder view and make an external finder pretty much obligatory. My guess is that the new lens is not going to be as large as some are imagining - probably E60 filter size - but it is still going to be a big lens by (historical) M standards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym911 Posted September 10, 2008 Share #126 Posted September 10, 2008 Interesting reading this thread. Whilst those waiting for fast wides may well be pleased I don't see (if this and other threads are on the mark), where Leica are pushing to attract new customers? M8.2, ok nice but not big news New wides, nice for those that need them, and long awaited No R10 No new M body Possible MF back in the S2 Am really hoping for Leica that this is not all there is at PK. Maybe more in the low end digital in P&S? What do you think? andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 10, 2008 Share #127 Posted September 10, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) I think the complaint being made here is that the 21/F1.4 may be so physically large that it will block an uncomfortably large portion of the rangefinder view and make an external finder pretty much obligatory. My guess is that the new lens is not going to be as large as some are imagining - probably E60 filter size - but it is still going to be a big lens by (historical) M standards. I doubt that it will be larger than the old Noctilux Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KM-25 Posted September 10, 2008 Share #128 Posted September 10, 2008 I doubt that it will be larger than the old Noctilux It's pretty fargin big! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/62221-noctilux-f095-asph-promotion-posters/?do=findComment&comment=649486'>More sharing options...
Guest darkstar2004 Posted September 10, 2008 Share #129 Posted September 10, 2008 Most NG shooters I know who shoot the kind of genre that you would use a Leica for go light. One M body and two maybe three lenses. In over 30 years of shooting, I have never heard of the "NGPS". "NGPS" = National Geographic Photographer Syndrome, i.e. carrying two of every lens ever made for your camera system, along with at least four bodies. I have seen photos of more than one National Geographic photographer heading off on assignment, standing in front of a pile of Pelican cases that would take a moving truck to transport. That's what I was referring to. I have come to identify with Steve McCurry's approach to equipment - he is known to carry four prime lenses and two bodies in a Domke bag; it's enough gear for him to routinely create powerful, magnificent images that we mere mortals would kill to be able to create on a regular basis. This photography thing is not about equipment; its about photographic vision. That's a hard little truth it took me longer to learn than I'd care to admit to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest darkstar2004 Posted September 10, 2008 Share #130 Posted September 10, 2008 "Digital is like shaved legs on a man - very smooth and clean but there is something acutely disconcerting about it." LMAO!! Very well said, KM-25!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerimager Posted September 10, 2008 Share #131 Posted September 10, 2008 NICE !!! The 50/0.95 ASPH ... but expensive What will happen with the prices of the 50/1.0 pre-ASPH Noctilux ? Going up, going down ? up, from the new price and the increased value of it's legacy status/fingerprint. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted September 10, 2008 Share #132 Posted September 10, 2008 Did anyone so far think about filter size, angle of view and how the rangefinder of M3 to M8 will cope with such lenses? There should be some kind of new image viewing/finding idea on the way as well... Short base of M8 rangefinder will handle them fine. It's longer lenses where rangefinder limitations intrude. The Frankenfinder will cover all of them, and rides high enough above the lens to minimize finder obstruction. The setup will probably gain in visible appeal as well, small body, large finder. gigantic lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted September 10, 2008 Share #133 Posted September 10, 2008 It's pretty fargin big! Hope Your picture is a mixup of the CdI image which has been posted in this thread with the original Leica M8-Body advertising, so one really cannot be sure about the dimensions. If i take my 35-lux and the whole field of the viewfinder of the M8 to get an idea for the 21 i find about 20% of the whole field blocked by the lens with hood (the spareout in the 35-hood helps). The blockage of the 24-frames i see with the 35-lens is about 10-15%. Approximately the same results with the 28-cron. The Lux 21 or 24 are certainly much wider in construction than a 35-lux or a 28-cron and you will not use a wideangle often without hood. So a large part of the M8-viewfinder will not be usable. The problem will be considerably more grave for the pre-M8 viewfinders. Are we still talking about viewfinder or Frankenfinder cameras? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShyTot Posted September 10, 2008 Share #134 Posted September 10, 2008 The Lux 21 or 24 are certainly much wider in construction than a 35-lux or a 28-cron and you will not use a wideangle often without hood. So a large part of the M8-viewfinder will not be usable. The problem will be considerably more grave for the pre-M8 viewfinders. UliWer, Sorry, but your talking up a problem that really doesn't exist in practice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted September 10, 2008 Share #135 Posted September 10, 2008 Am really hoping for Leica that this is not all there is at PK. Don't want much do you? Blimey - they are a very small company. I bet they get as many headlines come next week as some of the big boys. Give them a break. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted September 10, 2008 Share #136 Posted September 10, 2008 I doubt that it will be larger than the old Noctilux Maybe, but when you use the Noctilux you are using the 50 framelines. If you are using the whole viewfinder to approximate for the 21, the new 21/f1.4 viewfinder blockage is likely to be more annoying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted September 10, 2008 Share #137 Posted September 10, 2008 I think this is more like the size, give or take 10%. The 75mm f/1.4 (right) compared with the 21mm f/1.4 based on the bayonet size. Different creature than the 21mm f/3.4 or f/2.8 but a very interesting lens. The 21mm you can normally shoot without taking much care to fucus. This one still has sharpness at f/1.4 from 1.2 meter to 3.5 meter when focused around 2 meter - and yet one will have the f/1.4 characteristics in the background and foreground. What a toy! As for viewfinder, one use and external viewfinder or none. It's a 90 degree angle, so no matter what, you will see the parts of the camera in the external viewfinder. Does not matter at all. I tend to use 21mm external viewfinder because I mostly tend to try to get straight lines when using a 21mm, or want to include a lot, why I need the viewfinder to see precisely what is included. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/62221-noctilux-f095-asph-promotion-posters/?do=findComment&comment=649635'>More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted September 10, 2008 Share #138 Posted September 10, 2008 For me this is too big. I almost never use the 1.4/75 because of it's size, although it is an excellent lens. If size does not matter, then I can take my D3 (or soon a D3x) with my 14-24 and I have a high IQ and very comfortable unit, much easier to operate than any M with the 1.4/21 and external finder Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat_mcdermott Posted September 10, 2008 Share #139 Posted September 10, 2008 Never owned the 75 Lux but borrowed one to test it out for a day and boy did that thing change the balance of the camera... The only time my M hung lens-down of its own accord. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted September 10, 2008 Share #140 Posted September 10, 2008 Never owned the 75 Lux but borrowed one to test it out for a day and boy did that thing change the balance of the camera... The only time my M hung lens-down of its own accord. Well, size does not necessarily equal weight. We'll know in short while about the exact size, weight, handling ... and price! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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