luigi bertolotti Posted September 9, 2008 Share #81 Posted September 9, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) How much for a s/h Nikon 28/1.4 these days? 3000 euro at least? I will never buy big lenses like that myself but 5000 euro for unique lenses like full frame 24/1.4 or 21/1.4 does not look unfair to me. Edit: Now 8000 euro for a 50 isn't it a bit dear my friends? You have a point, lct... the 5K€ for the pair of 1,4s (that, to be clear, I'll NEVER buy) can be even regarded as a "not unfair" price (the 8K for Nocti... well... I do not comment) : if all this is confirmed, let's say that Leica has decided to go Photokina not to pursue a widening of its market, but to affirm its uniqueness... after the Summarits, can be a sort of brand-marketing move... not significant in real terms (it's easy to predict LOW numbers for these lenses) but to reaffirm to the market "beware, we are a COSTLY brand !"... probably usueful to prepare the public to products to come ("M9", "R10"...). In this sense, for "normal" (i.e., not superwealthy) customers like me, nothing of real interest... the 24 f3,8 remains a sort of mistery... (I even have thought..."UVIR filter inside ?") I think more and more there's something strange in this pre-pre announcement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 9, 2008 Posted September 9, 2008 Hi luigi bertolotti, Take a look here Noctilux f/0.95 ASPH promotion posters. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Rolo Posted September 9, 2008 Share #82 Posted September 9, 2008 30% discount on any lens with an M8.2, perhaps ? Makes them very affordable ! Michael Kamber wants one for Afghanistan, I predict. Rolo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted September 9, 2008 Share #83 Posted September 9, 2008 So who says that this lens is only suitable for an M8? Also sometime there will be a full frame digital M body. Certainly not me. I was only giving an example of where the lens could be used and not seen to be extreme. There may well be a full frame M in the future, but I doubt that it's going to be in the next couple of years - I'd love to be proved wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccis Posted September 9, 2008 Share #84 Posted September 9, 2008 But what do You need a 21/1.4 for? I can think of lots of times when a photographer with imagination could make fabulous shots with a wide angle with bokeh. Can't you? I am certainly looking forward to receiving my 21 and giving it a hell of a workout... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolo Posted September 9, 2008 Share #85 Posted September 9, 2008 On an M8 I'm guessing wide open it would offer identical angle of view, and similar DOF as an f2 28mm on a full frame camera. Doesn't seem extreme at all - apart from the price. Good point Steve, but a 21 f1.4 on a film M makes the 28 f2 on an M8 look like a telephoto. These are not M8 lenses, thank goodness ! Very wide angle with bokeh. It's a gotta have. Rolo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mym6is12 Posted September 9, 2008 Share #86 Posted September 9, 2008 I was given a price of £ 4450 for the Noctilux a few weeks ago from a source which has always been ok.Brian That's spot on CDI's prices actually being VAT inclusive UK/eurozone prices and then listed as US$ but mistakenly tagged as Euros. Gives us something a little bit more comparable to existing Leica prices 50 Noctilux : £4450 24 Summilux : £2780 21 Summilux : £2780 24 Elmar : £1000 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted September 9, 2008 Share #87 Posted September 9, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) As far as I know, the S1 was a fairly good success as a studio camera back when digital photography was new and revolutionizing catalog photography. That was when you had to buy special light and each shot took a minute or something to load onto a directly connected computer. Different market that M and R, but probably not a bad idea. Problem for Leica must be finding clients who will appreciate (read; pay for) their special qualities. Those are not found amongst the Canon and Nikon crowd who can't think out of the box anyways. So high-end studio market, perhaps some of the MF isn't bad. And then dentists to keep the M development running and has-been-dentists to keep the collectors market prices on second-hand in a hight range. The R, as it is, with the DMR, is anyways more in the Hasselblad range, considering price, speed, size and all. It's not a Nikon killer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat_mcdermott Posted September 9, 2008 Share #88 Posted September 9, 2008 That's spot on CDI's prices actually being VAT inclusive UK/eurozone prices and then listed as US$ but mistakenly tagged as Euros. Gives us something a little bit more comparable to existing Leica prices 50 Noctilux : £4450 24 Summilux : £2780 21 Summilux : £2780 24 Elmar : £1000 If that's the case Leica haven't gone off the deep end... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 9, 2008 Share #89 Posted September 9, 2008 All those infos have been just confirmed by a french Leica dealer. a new Digital Reflex Camera called S2. This reflex will be introduced at the Photokina but on sale only next year, 2009. Hey! That was an idea I posted a few days back:eek: Stolen already! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrid Posted September 9, 2008 Share #90 Posted September 9, 2008 Contrary to many other camera brands at least Leica stuff does not depreciate in value much, if anything it gets worth more over time. So maybe it is not an investment but at least you are not burning money, unlike sailing yachts, cars etc. So what is wrong with their pricing in that context? Just don't use it. Brassed, scratched and dinged Leica gear is only worth something if it's ultra rare or you're famous. ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat_mcdermott Posted September 9, 2008 Share #91 Posted September 9, 2008 I don't know: About a year ago I sold a 28 Cron for $900 more than I originally paid for it... It was in good shape, granted, but it'd been used for a while and not babied. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted September 9, 2008 Share #92 Posted September 9, 2008 Rumors are rumors, of course - but: 1. the "S2" naming does not necessarily mean the new camera will be a tethered scanning back, as the first one was 12 years ago. No reason it can't be a full-image sensor feeding portable storage (cards or HD or both) - with tethered capability if desired for studios. The unique thing about the S1 was that it could take any lens from Leica M to Hassy, via adapters, with reflex focusing. Like a Reprovit, one focused on a groundglass behind the lens via a 45-degree prism housing, and then slid the eyepiece aside for the digital exposure. I can see ways to update this to a more instantaneous viewing/exposure system (can you say "Live View"?) that would, like the S1, work with practically any lens you want to set in front of the ground glass/sensor. It will be interesting to see if this really comes about - it would certainly move Leica completely out of the competitive world of Nikon/Canon/Sony. Portability would be an issue for me if it ends up being something on the scale of a view camera (as the S1 was). 2. I too hope there is at least one sub-21mm lens out there still unreported. Its about the only thing I'm actually interested in buying. Maybe Ch. d'I. only revealed the big-splash items. 3. Finally, the "M8.2" looks exactly as described in the accidental leak of last week - black paint - dot matches camera color - leatherette replaces sharkskin. Sorry folks, something is not "Photoshopped" just because YOU haven't been paying attention. In the age of "twittering" and the Internet, you check the nwes once an hour or you're out-of-date. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KM-25 Posted September 9, 2008 Share #93 Posted September 9, 2008 When I talked to a Leica rep on the East coast in June at a prominent photo festival, we basically confirmed this range of lenses being introduced and being ground breaking. I asked him if they would be digital specific and he shook head no and smiled. So the point is, these will be earth shatteringly good on full frame, in front of film and digital. Think about this for a moment, the M9 could not only be full frame, but be an incredible new ergonomic direction in terms of usability details such as frame lines and all kinds things. You have to look at what these lenses represent in terms of the long term goals. I have to say I am trying to put the alleged price of these out of my mind so I can focus on the possibilities of them. And as far as questions like "Who would use a 21mm 1.4?" Let's just say Leica is making these lenses for those who have the imaginations to use them to the fullest. This represents an incredible set of optics in the groundbreaking tradition of Leica and spells out long term commitment to me. I will watch from the sidelines in earnest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KM-25 Posted September 9, 2008 Share #94 Posted September 9, 2008 By the way, In regards to the Nocti / M8 image, did anyone notice the shutter speed dial maxes out at 1/4,000th now? Standard quiet and more reliable shutter. Might be time to sell my M8........ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted September 9, 2008 Share #95 Posted September 9, 2008 I love the pricing mistake, now I'm feeling like getting an instant 30% price relief. LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KM-25 Posted September 9, 2008 Share #96 Posted September 9, 2008 I love the pricing mistake, now I'm feeling like getting an instant 30% price relief. LOL Yeah, much easier to digest...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philippe D. Posted September 9, 2008 Share #97 Posted September 9, 2008 2. I too hope there is at least one sub-21mm lens out there still unreported. Its about the only thing I'm actually interested in buying. Maybe Ch. d'I. only revealed the big-splash items. Obviously, that's all with those four new lens. Zeiss have another two years range with the beautiful Distagon ZM 18mm. The S2 will be a digital reflex. Not a scanner like the S1. Does he concurrence the Sinar m ? We will know next week a little more about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted September 9, 2008 Author Share #98 Posted September 9, 2008 Sinar belongs to Jenoptik, and Jenoptik is the partner of Leica. Leica tried to buy Sinar... A bit complex, isn't? 21mm or 24mm? On the M8 we have 28mm and 32mm... 28mm is practical for my needs. But 21mm is too wide, and considering a future full frame M... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KM-25 Posted September 9, 2008 Share #99 Posted September 9, 2008 Sinar belongs to Jenoptik, and Jenoptik is the partner of Leica. Leica tried to buy Sinar... A bit complex, isn't? 21mm or 24mm? On the M8 we have 28mm and 32mm... 28mm is practical for my needs. But 21mm is too wide, and considering a future full frame M... Yep, that is you. Give me that 21 F/1.4 on a full frame sensor with clean ISO 3200 and I am going to go nuts shooting low light aerials with it, I can *bank* on that.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pleeson Posted September 9, 2008 Share #100 Posted September 9, 2008 Perilously close to the price of many automobiles... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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