dhsimmonds Posted August 25, 2008 Share #21 Posted August 25, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Will use the time while my DMR is away to test the Nikon D3. I wonder if you will ever go back to the DMR!? You might miss the R lenses but that is about all I reckon. When the Leica R to Nikon F adaptor kit is on the market from a 3rd party manufacturer/supplier in about 2 months time, I think that there will be quite a few more converts. Stop down aperture's of course but full frame, high definition at high ISO's all in a weather proof body might be too much of a temptation. It's what our beautiful R glass was made for. If put on the D700 body, add a dust reduction system and very bright viewfinder for good measure. We might not need to worry too much about Leica's plans for the R system after all! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dhsimmonds Posted August 25, 2008 Share #22 Posted August 25, 2008 Will use the time while my DMR is away to test the Nikon D3. I wonder if you will ever go back to the DMR!? You might miss the R lenses but that is about all I reckon. When the Leica R to Nikon F adaptor kit is on the market from a 3rd party manufacturer/supplier in about 2 months time, I think that there will be quite a few more converts. Stop down aperture's of course but full frame, high definition at high ISO's all in a weather proof body might be too much of a temptation. It's what our beautiful R glass was made for. If put on the D700 body, add a dust reduction system and very bright viewfinder for good measure. We might not need to worry too much about Leica's plans for the R system after all! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted August 25, 2008 Author Share #23 Posted August 25, 2008 I think that if a Leica/Nikon adaptor were technically possible, there'd be a dozen already on the market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguewave Posted August 25, 2008 Share #24 Posted August 25, 2008 Andy, hope your lost time is short & you have an opportunity to get intimate wit your M2. Love that camera with the 35 lux pre-asph. Just makes me feel good holding it. I'm still hammering nails with my R8/DMR everyday (fingers crossed). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted August 25, 2008 Share #25 Posted August 25, 2008 Frankly, I don't see any competitor to the DMR in picture quality, and I include the latest Hasselblad, Nikon and even future Canon in this. But the DMR is not a picture machine, and for some stuff I would like to find out just how easy and laidback the life of those other fellows are: For example the fashion weeks where you shoot 60-80 models in 20 minutes and does that 8-12 times a day Also, I wonder why Nikon photographers next to me at a rock festival choose to throw their colors and light totally abstract. Lots of them, actually. Is it because the files are useless or what's the story? So the question is: Are the DMR files so superior in image quality that it's worth the extra work in handling that camera and not getting ALL pictures 100% in focus in for example that said fashion show, or is there some sense in choosing another camera for this type of work that enables you to get 100% focus and ok pictures totally laid back? When I look around at the DULL! results from China, I wonder ... I really do. Where is the professional pride? How can so many photographers be satisfied with doing the same shots with the same gear, in the same quality as the guy next to them? So I will take a look for myself. No doubt a perfect system would be a Hasseblad-size sensor in DMR quality with Leica lens in front and the buffer and AF and ISO of a Nikon. And the size of the M8. And price of a secondhand film Pentax ;-) A camera I know for sure is not coming next month. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DuquesneG Posted August 25, 2008 Share #26 Posted August 25, 2008 Frankly, I don't see any competitor to the DMR in picture quality, and I include the latest Hasselblad, Nikon and even future Canon in this. Well I'm not going to step into it by debating that with you...especially since you claim to be able to see into Canon's future. But if it were true then it would mean that Leica is insanely stupid not to re-source whatever they need to keep it in production. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted August 25, 2008 Share #27 Posted August 25, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Canon would have to change philosophy to improve the quality. I think it's generally agreed that Canon files require a some work, which has become obvious with the introduction of the Nikon D3. Till then perhaps it was just an "industry standard" or the way it was. And with Canon focused on speed and number of megapixels, I don't expect improvement of IQ in the next generation or two. And yes, it's a wonder why no one thought of the future development steps when developing and introducing the DMR. All wasted. I mean, anybody I've heard or met who have had a DMR file to look at, Nikon or Canon user, see and say it's a nicer file. My own opinion on the matter is that it's Imacon who brought that look; they deal with colors and light in a different way, which one can also see in their scanners. They don't seem to be fixated on sharpness but on how natural and lively the composition of colors and light look. At least that is what I've seen when studying Imacon and other scans close up. Imacon is not razor-sharp in edges but detailed, and that wins when you look at the picture from a natural distance; it appears sharper, more lively and natural (3D in a way). It's a philosophy I imagine is very compatible with Leica glass and philosophy on light and colors, thus with an even better result obtained with those two together. Thus an improvement of the DMR futher than if you apply Leica glass on a Canon. In the end, even that is opinion. Some like "digital look," some like "film look" (in which category I fall into), some like the new "saturated" Nikon look. And so it goes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 26, 2008 Share #28 Posted August 26, 2008 Not if you buy from this seller who's offering an R9 for 1300 Euros. Full Leica R system and lenses for sale. Does anybody think that the prices are a little ... ummm ... 'optimistic'? Sorry to hear about your loss, Andy. Pete. Yep- this guy is well-known for his prices- he has been trying to sell over here as well. The first impression is not quite favourable, I agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakewood Posted August 26, 2008 Share #29 Posted August 26, 2008 I am suspecting it only affects later R8 and the R9. I had a very early R8 that never had the problem. My R9 was out of warranty when it happened. I think it was about $750 including taxes and shipping. Robert Hi Rob, just for the record: my R8 with sn 229... had it as well. Costs however were similar. Now it sits unused as the R9 is flawless. @ Andy: I'd rather get it fixed or get myself one with new metering cells. cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhsimmonds Posted August 26, 2008 Share #30 Posted August 26, 2008 I think that if a Leica/Nikon adaptor were technically possible, there'd be a dozen already on the market. Let's wait and see! The R to Pentax adaptor kits are already on the market I believe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted August 26, 2008 Share #31 Posted August 26, 2008 Let's wait and see! The R to Pentax adaptor kits are already on the market I believe. It's here Leica lens on a Pentax camera and according to what I hear and read he will introduce the R to Nikon adapter in few months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 26, 2008 Share #32 Posted August 26, 2008 It's here Leica lens on a Pentax camera and according to what I hear and read he will introduce the R to Nikon adapter in few months. Those adaptors are new bayonets actually, so removing the R bayonet is mandatory. Also the new bayonets don't allow more than stop down metering AFAIK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted August 26, 2008 Author Share #33 Posted August 26, 2008 If this is the kind of thing that's involved, he can forget it... If anyone thinks that I am about to disassemble my lenses to fit onto another body, that's not an acceptable alternative to an R body, I'm afraid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted August 26, 2008 Share #34 Posted August 26, 2008 It's an uncomfortable truth for us M8 owners that people who have both the M8 and DMR tend to say the DMR files are better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted August 26, 2008 Author Share #35 Posted August 26, 2008 Thanks for saying that Mark. Many DMR owners have been saying this for a couple of years, but have generally been ignored. This is why the potential non-arrival of a suitable replacement for the DMR is a tragedy. For ALL Leica users, not just those of us fortunate to own a DMR (even if the body to which it is attached does need a service...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted August 27, 2008 Share #36 Posted August 27, 2008 If anyone thinks that I am about to disassemble my lenses to fit onto another body, that's not an acceptable alternative to an R body, I'm afraid. Same for me. Might be a way for others who don't see it our way to keep using their R lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted August 27, 2008 Share #37 Posted August 27, 2008 It's an uncomfortable truth for us M8 owners that people who have both the M8 and DMR tend to say the DMR files are better. Mark, I've seen a R9+DMR combo in EX+/Mint- condition sold for US $4xxx something on ebay just recently. The price may drop even further after the Kina, perhaps it's time for you pick one up as toy ... being the only interchangeable digital back for a 35mm camera, the DMR may have some collecting value. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted August 27, 2008 Share #38 Posted August 27, 2008 The R to Nikon converter might be something for those who want to use, say a 80mm Summilux f/1.4 on a Nikon and then have one fitted for that purpose. As an alternative to Nikon and Zeiss. I sometimes wonder what would prevent ... anybody ... from developing a new DMR or even offer upgrading of existing R backs. Not that there are that many, but it's not an integrated part of the camera anyway. Likewise backs for MF cameras a third party could produce and offer such backs. However, so far the DMR performs very well, and besides the phenomena that one always want an upgraded bigger and better gadget, I think the DMR will suite the needs still some years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
topoxforddoc Posted August 27, 2008 Share #39 Posted August 27, 2008 I'm glad to hear that others are impressed with the DMR. I've tried to protect my use of the R lense by buying a second DMR and R8 for 3600USD from a shop with a warranty. Charlie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhsimmonds Posted August 27, 2008 Share #40 Posted August 27, 2008 The R to Nikon converter might be something for those who want to use, say a 80mm Summilux f/1.4 on a Nikon and then have one fitted for that purpose. As an alternative to Nikon and Zeiss. This is exactly how I see this adaptation kit being used. The Nikon Fx lens range is rather sparse right now and whilst the Nikkor lenses are capable of very good sharp images...........they just don't have the Leica look. For any photographer needing a tough weather proof body, or use very high ISO speeds and are up to the task of stop down metering etc., it could be a very neat solution. Meanwhile the DMR is getting longer in the tooth and I wonder just how long Leica can continue supporting this superb piece of Imacon engineering....or how long Imacon will continue to support Leica? Digital R system users are right to be concerned and really do need some answers to these questions from Leica's top man. I do hope that at Photokina these and many other questions will be answered once and for all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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