adan Posted April 16, 2008 Share #1 Posted April 16, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Serious bug with D3 with updated firmware: Nikon D3/D2/D1 Forum: Digital Photography Review Just a reminder that these things don't only happen to M8s! (And best wishes for D3 owners that Nikon and the card makers get all over this and solve it faster than Canon did the 1Diii Af issues - I'm sure they will) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted April 16, 2008 Posted April 16, 2008 Hi adan, Take a look here Another $5,000 camera goes bananas...! . I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
OwnedEveryM Posted April 17, 2008 Share #2 Posted April 17, 2008 Well, what do you know . . . my dealer told me "That's the first one that has ever happened to . . ." when my D3 went bananas--the exact term he used--after just two weeks. Yup, the whole screen started fluttering with alternating colored lines flipping over and over like a partially burned out neon sign. At least he called his Nikon distributor and they shipped me an exchange right away. PETER:) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted April 17, 2008 Share #3 Posted April 17, 2008 That'll wipe the self-satisfied grin off the face of those thought-they-were-happy D3 owners... LOL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 17, 2008 Share #4 Posted April 17, 2008 This one is for Canon owners that hammer Leica Quality Control.... 1DsIII with tilted sensor - FM Forums Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venkman Posted April 17, 2008 Share #5 Posted April 17, 2008 Instead of feeling Schadenfreude, we might want to moan about the downward spiral of quality in general. It seems that people just put up with a lot of things, like new TVs burning away after 4 years ("who cares, gives me a reason to buy a new full HD one") or computers being so often sold with problems that people "in the know" tend to skip 1st generations of every product. Is it just my impression that QA in general got more sloppy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 17, 2008 Share #6 Posted April 17, 2008 It is not Schadenfreude, it is pointing out it can happen anywhere. In another "Leica quality is going down the drain" thread I listed all the problems the "troublefree" film Leica's gave me over the years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted April 17, 2008 Share #7 Posted April 17, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Is it just my impression that QA in general got more sloppy? It's not just your impression and you are correct IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest s.m.e.p. Posted April 17, 2008 Share #8 Posted April 17, 2008 What is one NIKON against thousands of LEICA M8??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
howard_cummer Posted April 17, 2008 Share #9 Posted April 17, 2008 If you read the post comments attached to the first post it is not so clear that the problem is a software problem - could also be a Lexar card problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delander † Posted April 17, 2008 Share #10 Posted April 17, 2008 It may well transpire that it is far more than 1 Nikon now it has been recognised. This news makes me feel better. I know it shouldn't but for so long the M8 has been painted as the Devil's camera among all the saintly Nikons and Canons. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delander † Posted April 17, 2008 Share #11 Posted April 17, 2008 I am feeling even better now. Just done quick survey – the 'bricks' are toppling: the 1DS3 does not know if the horizon is level the 1D3 still does not AF corrctly the 5D is full of dust the D3 FW downgrade worked well and the litle old D300's chips are failing Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddp Posted April 17, 2008 Share #12 Posted April 17, 2008 It may well transpire that it is far more than 1 Nikon now it has been recognised. This news makes me feel better. I know it shouldn't but for so long the M8 has been painted as the Devil's camera among all the saintly Nikons and Canons. Jeff It's nothing new on the Nikon front. The D1 was plagued by horrible magenta issues when released 8 years ago. Many of the top level pro cameras have bugs that need to be worked out. I've been using pro level Digital Nikons since the D1 was introduced, and as an M user as well - I had no interest in seeing Leica have issues with the M8. I personally don't know any other working pros that view the M8 as the Devil's camera, they don't pay much attention to it I suspect. I'm not surprised to see issues crop up with any of these beasts - the companies are under strong pressure to bring new products to a seemingly obsessed market, and Leica is no different. There are going to be growing pains no matter what. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted April 17, 2008 Share #13 Posted April 17, 2008 ...and it's not that QC is going down, necessarily, but that overall complexity is going way up release to release. These things are computers, after all, and computers fail quite frequently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted April 17, 2008 Share #14 Posted April 17, 2008 This one is for Canon owners that hammer Leica Quality Control.... 1DsIII with tilted sensor - FM Forums i wonder do they lean to the left, or to the right.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted April 17, 2008 Author Share #15 Posted April 17, 2008 Several points: I wasn't trashing Nikon, just reminding folks that nobody's perfect, even at $5,000 per camera. I've seen plenty of posts on the M8 that insist that for $5,000 the M8 should be perfect - and it is an unrealistic expectation. (Not to say that the M8 could do better - and the service backup could do a LOT better, despite Dr. Kaufmann's perception that service is not a problem). Keying off what Jamie and Howard and SMEP said: 1. It is not ONE Nikon - other posters on that thread have replicated the problem with their cameras, once they tried it. And some have not. 2. The card used may be a factor. Using 14-bit mode instead of 12-bit mode also seems to be a factor. 3. Digital cameras are complex, and silicon circuitry is working at the scale where random quantum effects creep in - i.e. the whole thing works on the PROBABILITY of electrons showing up where we expect them to. Sometimes the dice roll the wrong way. At 9 fps and 14-bit and 12.x Mpixels, the D3 is probably shoveling more electrons per microsecond than any production digital camera so far. Looks like either some CF cards or the buffer (or something in the firmware upgrade) can't always handle it - yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted April 17, 2008 Share #16 Posted April 17, 2008 Never trust a video camera Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted April 17, 2008 Share #17 Posted April 17, 2008 Another $5,000 camera goes bananas...! Question is how long does it take at Leica and Nikon to refresh their bananas folks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcsang Posted April 17, 2008 Share #18 Posted April 17, 2008 Reading through some of those posts over there (I really despise DP Review but hey.. what can ya do..) I noted that many folks couldn't replicate the problem. Could just be a singular camera problem rather than a widespread production or model problem. I just got my M8 on Monday and so far I have yet to see any of the problems that people complained about..... that doesn't mean I'm uncrossing my fingers or not touching wood yet though.... Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccis Posted April 17, 2008 Share #19 Posted April 17, 2008 Anyone that owns a D3 may want to hold off on performing the update. According to Rob Galbraith (Rob Galbraith DPI: Nikon D3 v1.10 firmware appears to cause photo corruption problem) he can reproduce the problem almost at will... Please reference my post just as a warning to hold off on performing the update and let's not turn it into a "Leica is not the only one that sucks" thread ... Cheers, Riccis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted April 17, 2008 Share #20 Posted April 17, 2008 Reading through some of those posts over there (I really despise DP Review but hey.. what can ya do..) I noted that many folks couldn't replicate the problem. Could just be a singular camera problem rather than a widespread production or model problem. I just got my M8 on Monday and so far I have yet to see any of the problems that people complained about..... that doesn't mean I'm uncrossing my fingers or not touching wood yet though.... Dave Sooo--you actually have bitten the bullet Dave!? Nice! Let us know what you think! Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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