Irakly Shanidze Posted November 18 Author Share #41 Posted November 18 Advertisement (gone after registration) 10 minutes ago, Smogg said: In my opinion, the only benefit of using a reduced resolution when using Leica M11 series cameras is the smaller file size, which allows the relatively archaic processor to handle the load without annoying pauses, lags, and inadequate performance in continuous hi mode. Did you read my review and look at the pictures? This is no M11, but the inner workings are pretty much the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Smogg Posted November 18 Share #42 Posted November 18 5 minutes ago, Irakly Shanidze said: Did you read my review and look at the pictures? This is no M11, but the inner workings are pretty much the same. Yes, of course I read the review. The shots are wonderful, although I would never choose the M-EVF for this. In my opinion, it's not a suitable tool for shooting fast-moving scenes. You're right, you can get used to the lag and, by hearing the music, guess the exact moment. But you can also measure the distance with a hammer, knowing the length of its handle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbyshire Man Posted November 18 Share #43 Posted November 18 Yes, I think I'd be reaching for my R5Mk2! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted November 18 Share #44 Posted November 18 5 hours ago, Smogg said: Yes, of course I read the review. The shots are wonderful, although I would never choose the M-EVF for this. In my opinion, it's not a suitable tool for shooting fast-moving scenes. You're right, you can get used to the lag and, by hearing the music, guess the exact moment. But you can also measure the distance with a hammer, knowing the length of its handle. Its possible to use all sorts of tools to jobs for which they are fundamentally unsuited. Here's one of my M8 shots. Would I choose to shoot such images on an M8? Well no, but that's all I had to hand and the failure rate was high. But given the choice there are numerous other cameras I would have much preferred to have used. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 13 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/425388-first-impressions-%E2%80%94-leica-ev-1-m/?do=findComment&comment=5895053'>More sharing options...
SrMi Posted November 18 Share #45 Posted November 18 (edited) 8 hours ago, Irakly Shanidze said: Please define "output size" and kindly tell me how you can compare DR at the same output size of two files of different sizes? Pixel pitch and resolution are two different things, as we all know, and while pixel pitch in itself plays no role, the pixel size absolutely does, because it is the size of the pixel that defines its maximum capacity and the noise floor, doesn't it? It is the same way DxO and PhotonToPhotos do it. If you go to the DPR Studio scene, you can compare the noise (DR) of two cameras with different resolutions in Comp or Print mode. In Comp mode, the larger resolution is scaled down to the smaller resolution in Print mode; both resolutions are scaled down to 8MP. Pixel pitch and pixel size are related when comparing sensors of the same technology. Pixel pitch is directly related to the resolution. P.S.: A sensor with larger pixels does not have better DR than a sensor with smaller pixels as long as you use the same technology. On the other hand, sensor size matters. That has been measured and confirmed (see P2P and DxO). Edited November 18 by SrMi 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted November 18 Share #46 Posted November 18 7 hours ago, Irakly Shanidze said: I received a response from Leica clarifying the issue. Yes, what they call "digital pixel aggregation" is a processing algorithm rather than analog pixel binning on a sensor level. However, the end result is indistinguishable. Yes, lowering the resolution results in a higher signal-to-noise ratio and, as a result, effectively, an additional stop of DR. Thank you for checking and sharing the term digital pixel aggregation. They use exciting technology to reduce the camera's resolution without adverse effects. Pixel binning limits the achievable resolutions. Digital pixel aggregation also has limits on which resolutions can be used (per Sean Reid), e.g., 24MP is not feasible from 60MP, but is more flexible than pixel binning. 18MP and 36MP are more useful than only 15MP with pixel binning . The result of digital pixel aggregation is indistinguishable from resizing 60MP in the post. Reducing resolution or printing smaller always increases DR, regardless of whether you started at 18 or 60MP. The DR of the final output (digital or print) is what matters. That is why DR comparison is only meaningful when comparing at the same resolution or output size. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted November 18 Share #47 Posted November 18 Advertisement (gone after registration) 7 hours ago, Smogg said: In my opinion, the only benefit of using a reduced resolution when using Leica M11 series cameras is the smaller file size, which allows the relatively archaic processor to handle the load without annoying pauses, lags, and inadequate performance in continuous hi mode. Yes, and also some just like to deal with smaller files and do not see the need for the higher resolutions. At least that is what I read, as I always shoot in 60MP mode because I feel I lose information at lower resolutions. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 18 Share #48 Posted November 18 2 hours ago, pgk said: Its possible to use all sorts of tools to jobs for which they are fundamentally unsuited. Here's one of my M8 shots. Would I choose to shoot such images on an M8? Well no, but that's all I had to hand and the failure rate was high. But given the choice there are numerous other cameras I would have much preferred to have used. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Reminds me of this M8 shot: (single shot so I avoided the failures 🤪) The M8 was eminently suitable for shooting Dolphins, it seems.🤣 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted November 18 Share #49 Posted November 18 Human dolphin. M10-R/135mm APO. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 4 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/425388-first-impressions-%E2%80%94-leica-ev-1-m/?do=findComment&comment=5895151'>More sharing options...
Alexander108 Posted November 18 Share #50 Posted November 18 (edited) Dolphins of the air taken with my M10-M 24mm/2:8. Five or six shots. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! No one was hurt. Edited November 18 by Alexander108 Typo Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! No one was hurt. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/425388-first-impressions-%E2%80%94-leica-ev-1-m/?do=findComment&comment=5895243'>More sharing options...
EddieCheddar Posted November 20 Share #51 Posted November 20 I love how the dolphins have high jacked this thread! 🤣 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/425388-first-impressions-%E2%80%94-leica-ev-1-m/?do=findComment&comment=5895786'>More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted November 20 Share #52 Posted November 20 On 11/18/2025 at 8:58 AM, Smogg said: Yes, of course I read the review. The shots are wonderful, although I would never choose the M-EVF for this. In my opinion, it's not a suitable tool for shooting fast-moving scenes. You're right, you can get used to the lag and, by hearing the music, guess the exact moment. But you can also measure the distance with a hammer, knowing the length of its handle. On 11/18/2025 at 2:34 PM, Derbyshire Man said: Yes, I think I'd be reaching for my R5Mk2! I'm curious to know which camera and lens you guys would use to get the same quality results as the OP? I look forward to seeing your shots. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted November 20 Share #53 Posted November 20 (edited) 6 hours ago, EddieCheddar said: I love how the dolphins have high jacked this thread! 🤣 42, just experimenting. Life, the universe, Leicas. Edited November 20 by pgk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudgerer Posted November 20 Share #54 Posted November 20 31 minutes ago, pgk said: 42, just experimenting. Life, the universe, Leicas. "And thanks for all the fish......" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahesh Posted November 20 Share #55 Posted November 20 On 11/18/2025 at 8:58 AM, Smogg said: Yes, of course I read the review. The shots are wonderful, although I would never choose the M-EVF for this. In my opinion, it's not a suitable tool for shooting fast-moving scenes. You're right, you can get used to the lag and, by hearing the music, guess the exact moment. But you can also measure the distance with a hammer, knowing the length of its handle. I keep reading this but why can't you shoot fast moving with zone focusing? I shot some skaters a while ago with M10-P and I am sure I could have shot them with M EV1 as well. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbyshire Man Posted November 20 Share #56 Posted November 20 1 hour ago, Mahesh said: I keep reading this but why can't you shoot fast moving with zone focusing? I shot some skaters a while ago with M10-P and I am sure I could have shot them with M EV1 as well. Anything is possible, the question is more is it optimal? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNK100 Posted November 20 Share #57 Posted November 20 I handled the EVF1 at the Leicastore in London this morning. I found the EVF similar to the Q3 but without th RF it seemed just like any other camera with an EVF and an M lens. It's the RF that's makes the M special in my opinion. As the majority of M lenses are between 28 and 50 mm I cannot see a reason why I would want a MF evf camera in preference to an RF M or Q to be honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDodkin Posted November 20 Share #58 Posted November 20 3 hours ago, Mahesh said: I keep reading this but why can't you shoot fast moving with zone focusing? I shot some skaters a while ago with M10-P and I am sure I could have shot them with M EV1 as well. Certainly worked with the M11 and Visoflex II - would be just the same with the M EV1 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/425388-first-impressions-%E2%80%94-leica-ev-1-m/?do=findComment&comment=5896041'>More sharing options...
Smogg Posted November 20 Share #59 Posted November 20 6 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said: I'm curious to know which camera and lens you guys would use to get the same quality results as the OP? I look forward to seeing your shots. I would choose the 50 1.2 from Canon or Sony if I were shooting similar scenes in such low light. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted November 20 Share #60 Posted November 20 3 hours ago, Mahesh said: I keep reading this but why can't you shoot fast moving with zone focusing? I shot some skaters a while ago with M10-P and I am sure I could have shot them with M EV1 as well. Zone focus with Noctilux at f1?🤣 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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