Leica M EV1: The first M with EVF instead of Rangefinder

[Planetwide]

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23 hours ago, SrMi said:

Leica said the space for IBIS can be made available by eliminating the mechanical shutter.

Or they could just use a M240 body...

[Planetwide]

On 12/17/2025 at 9:14 AM, Markey said:

I can appreciate that POV .

I`m new to the flip screen (Q3 43) and am slowly appreciating how useful it might be although I must admit ,for me ,I`m always forgetting its there .

As for IBS ... again I`ve had 40 years of using M`s and the lack thereof hasn`t been an issue ,but again I can see that it could be .

I didn`t mean to suggest that it was a smaller SL in every respect  just a useful Iteration of the current M style.

I can understand, if you are a long time M user, no IBIS, tilt screen etc... This may not make a lot of sense. Trust me, as schipper mentioned, it really helps with high megapixel sensors. 

[SrMi]

5 hours ago, WvE said:

I guess, or fear, is that the M EV will be the future of the M. The OVF will disappear completely over time. 

I doubt it, but that fear is probably why many oppose M-EV1.

[Markey]

13 minutes ago, SrMi said:

I doubt it, but that fear is probably why many oppose M-EV1.

Must admit that I thought that (even if not articulated as the long term goal) it may in the future become an inevitability .

If the M EV has legs it will be easier to justify .

Maybe retain the RF as a limited historical model with a commensurate price tag of course.

It would probably make economic sense in todays world .

 

[Planetwide]

I had hoped that Leica would install a 9.44 million dot EVF into the MEV, and the SL4 hint hint... These panels are very close to an optical viewfinder. 

[SrMi]

23 minutes ago, Planetwide said:

I had hoped that Leica would install a 9.44 million dot EVF into the MEV, and the SL4 hint hint... These panels are very close to an optical viewfinder. 

I have cameras with 9.44Mdot EVFs, and they are miles away from OVFs. The issue with EVFs is not so much the resolution as contrast and dynamic range.

[charlesphoto99]

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12 hours ago, SrMi said:

I doubt it, but that fear is probably why many oppose M-EV1.

I think the biggest fear is having a $9k hole in one's bank account, just for Leica to come along in a few years and make the EV2 so much better (at least for this freelancer that's a big hole; not so much for some). Plenty of stopgap EVF camera bodies for a lot less. 

[pgk]

23 hours ago, WvE said:

I guess, or fear, is that the M EV will be the future of the M. The OVF will disappear completely over time. 

Well I don't. The concern is that Leica will do reputational damage for producing a compromised camera. On this forum there is quite a lot of interest in the M EV1, on others there is a lot of bafflement as to why it exists at all and a lot of negativity. 7k is a lot to pay for what are at best marginal improvements over other EVF camera with adapters and M lenses.

[jjroroek]

On 12/17/2025 at 3:14 PM, Markey said:

I can appreciate that POV .

I`m new to the flip screen (Q3 43) and am slowly appreciating how useful it might be although I must admit ,for me ,I`m always forgetting its there .

As for IBS ... again I`ve had 40 years of using M`s and the lack thereof hasn`t been an issue ,but again I can see that it could be .

I didn`t mean to suggest that it was a smaller SL in every respect  just a useful Iteration of the current M style.

for 37 years of that 40 years ibs was not realy usefull with te leica m but since the sensor is above the 40 mp it is not only usefull but it is almost not possible to get a razor sharp picture without IBS

[pgk]

17 minutes ago, jjroroek said:

for 37 years of that 40 years ibs was not realy usefull with te leica m but since the sensor is above the 40 mp it is not only usefull but it is almost not possible to get a razor sharp picture without IBS

There's a thing called a tripod ......

[SrMi]

37 minutes ago, jjroroek said:

for 37 years of that 40 years ibs was not realy usefull with te leica m but since the sensor is above the 40 mp it is not only usefull but it is almost not possible to get a razor sharp picture without IBS

The difference between 24MP and 60MP in handholding shutter speed for razor-sharp images at the pixel level is about one stop. IBIS is essential for both low- and high-resolution sensors. 

If you cannot make razor-sharp images with M11, you will not be able to make them with an M10, either.

Of course, nothing beats the sharpness of an image taken on a tripod. Too often, IBIS can introduce blur in corners.

 

[jaapv]

22 minutes ago, pgk said:

There's a thing called a tripod ......

Beanbag, handholding technique..... 

[lct]

48 minutes ago, jjroroek said:

for 37 years of that 40 years ibs was not realy usefull with te leica m but since the sensor is above the 40 mp it is not only usefull but it is almost not possible to get a razor sharp picture without IBS

You may wish choose faster shutter speeds to avoid camera shake blur, if any. 1/(2f)s works well for me. YMMV.

[jjroroek]

that dousn't work in low light situations. wher you need de maximum in shutterspeed , large aparture en the iso not over 3200

[SrMi]

1 minute ago, jjroroek said:

that dousn't work in low light situations. wher you need de maximum in shutterspeed , large aparture en the iso not over 3200

Again, one stop at pixel level and likely no difference if you shoot in lower resolution mode. In practice, four stops make a difference, but one stop not so much.

[jjroroek]

23 minutes ago, SrMi said:

The difference between 24MP and 60MP in handholding shutter speed for razor-sharp images at the pixel level is about one stop. IBIS is essential for both low- and high-resolution sensors. 

If you cannot make razor-sharp images with M11, you will not be able to make them with an M10, either.

Of course, nothing beats the sharpness of an image taken on a tripod. Too often, IBIS can introduce blur in corners.

 

thats not true. With the m10 about 70% of my pictures were razorsharp at 1/60 . the problem started with the m10R. a perfect camera but less sharpness  at 1/60. on my q3 i can shoot razorsharp at 1/15

[jjroroek]

56 minutes ago, pgk said:

There's a thing called a tripod ......

and there are things like a leica m that is made for streetphotografie where the use of a tripod is totally not usefull

[Smudgerer]

".........you can please some of the people some of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time"..

Leica should adopt this motto and have it as an optional engraving.

[charlesphoto99]

Lay off the coffee and you'll probably gain a stop in speed. And save some money while at it. 😂

As well, if shooting 'street' IBIS is useless (get a lower mp camera). IBIS doesn't help freeze the subject better, just the camera shake. 

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[SrMi]

12 minutes ago, jjroroek said:

thats not true. With the m10 about 70% of my pictures were razorsharp at 1/60 . the problem started with the m10R. a perfect camera but less sharpness  at 1/60. on my q3 i can shoot razorsharp at 1/15

It seems I wasn't clear.

I wrote that with higher-resolution sensors, you need a 1-stop faster shutter speed. That means you need to shoot at 1/125 with M-EV1, whereas 1/60 would have been sufficient with a lower-resolution sensor (no stabilization). If that one-stop difference is too much for you (I argue it is not), you can shoot M-EV1 in lower resolution mode at 1/60 and get a sharper image.

For me, the Leica Q3 produces sharp images without OIS at 1/120, but with OIS at 1/15. That is a three-stop difference, and I think that three-stop difference matters, but one stop does not.