Leica M EV1: The first M with EVF instead of Rangefinder

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[Eoin]

Biggest advantage of the M EV1 for me would be never having to wipe the RF window clean of fingerprints ever again!.

I get it, but for small bump in EVF resolution, I’d rather the flexibility of my RF & EVF2.
 

[Paulus]

vor 5 Stunden schrieb pgk:

Give a Sony owner an M EV-1 and I bet the majority will dislike the price and limitations compared to a Sony.

I have my suspicion that the M in its designation no longer refers to the rangefinder (obviously because there isn't one) but actually stands for Marmite EV-1 because it will polarise opinion. I have absolutely no interest in one personally.

I’ll sit this one out and wait for the MP version….

 

[atournas]

Thank you but no. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[krooj]

6 hours ago, Ne314satel said:

It'll definitely be a commercial failure. I can still focus on the screen with the M11, but without a rangefinder, it'll just be an outdated 30-year-old (or even 50-year-old) thing—no autofocus, no Ibis, etc. This camera was definitely made by designers, not photographers.

It feels so half-baked. I don't believe Leica lacks the industrial engineering chops to put out proper innovation - contractors and outside firms exist if they don't have this talent in-house. I completely agree that it'll be mostly a flop in the first iteration, and the thing will probably find its footing in the next-gen, so my question is where will they take this: one path is towards a Q-body with PDAF being used for focus confirmation; another possibility is that they retain the M-body and engineer some type of hybrid focus system. What was released today stinks of management just wanting something to push out. 

[Jeff S]

Stefan Daniel explained (thanks to SrMi for link) that the M11 was designed from the start to incorporate a potential EVF. The idea was shelved, but when feedback indicated potential support, the idea was revisited and the change was incorporated as envisioned. 
 

So, no surprise this resulted in an M11 with EVF instead of RF, and nothing more… for now.

https://chatsphotog.com/musings/f/stefan-daniel-on-the-leica-m-ev1?fbclid=IwdGRleANnWp1leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHr3jI4UFe_V6GXBwXtwmH-2shSm_GhOJrcjBnxZb7FupkVccll84UaTyMoYN_aem_wS4pdIGWew4kX3JioFVmNA

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13 minutes ago, krooj said:

It feels so half-baked. I don't believe Leica lacks the industrial engineering chops to put out proper innovation - contractors and outside firms exist if they don't have this talent in-house. I completely agree that it'll be mostly a flop in the first iteration, and the thing will probably find its footing in the next-gen, so my question is where will they take this: one path is towards a Q-body with PDAF being used for focus confirmation; another possibility is that they retain the M-body and engineer some type of hybrid focus system. What was released today stinks of management just wanting something to push out. 

Not half baked, just not intended to attract those that are mostly happy with the M11.  It was a low effort, minimal expenditure project aimed at those that want an ‘M’ camera to use their ‘M’ lenses, but don’t like a rangefinder camera..  It isn’t an inexpensive entry point to the ‘M’ system.  It isn’t a new halo product.

[algrove]

2 hours ago, Dazzajl said:

When you put it like that……. Yikes!

Not that anyone is going to really be able to compete with DJI. So does that make it an unfair comparison or just cold hard facts?

Simple fact. No exaggeration.

[Paulus]

vor 5 Stunden schrieb rxj:

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I’m glad they wrote “ Leica “ on the back. Would not recognise it in a line up…

[earleygallery]

Some of you are reacting as though it’s compulsory to purchase this new Leica.

Don’t like it? Don’t need it? Don’t buy it!! If enough of you don’t buy it they might even drop the idea! 
 

This reminds me of the Summarit lenses. Everyone saying Leica needed to introduce some less expensive lenses. When they did people didn’t buy them because they were too cheap and not proper Leica lenses. Until they were dropped and now are quite sought after.

Leica should have released this camera as a very limited edition and everyone would be clamouring for one!

[Paulus]

vor 5 Stunden schrieb colonel:

anything can be canned, but since this is Leica's cash cow highly unlikely

think about it, the M lenses are jewellery and the RF camera is a work of art, fusing mechanicals and electronics.

Take out the jewellery and I am left with my Z8 not an M.

I love the size of the M, the way it works, the process and the results. 

It's like saying, well Rolex should go quartz as its more accurate and cheaper. Yes well .....

Actually… Rolex had a quartz model. I think it’s a collecters item now. 

Edited October 23 by Paulus

[algrove]

9 minutes ago, earleygallery said:

Some of you are reacting as though it’s compulsory to purchase this new Leica.

Don’t like it? Don’t need it? Don’t buy it!! If enough of you don’t buy it they might even drop the idea! 
 

This reminds me of the Summarit lenses. Everyone saying Leica needed to introduce some less expensive lenses. When they did people didn’t buy them because they were too cheap and not proper Leica lenses. Until they were dropped and now are quite sought after.

Leica should have released this camera as a very limited edition and everyone would be clamouring for one!

Some here are suggesting it WILL BE a limited edition and limited production camera. Time will tell.

[earleygallery]

1 minute ago, algrove said:

Some here are suggesting it WILL BE a limited edition and limited production camera. Time will tell.

And then everyone will want one 😂 

[matt736]

I feel Leica rushed this and the costing is too high to make it a great product. I’ve always used and bought Leica’s for street and travel work but this doesn’t fill any of those roles that the M11 and Q3 already fill . It just doesn’t bring anything new to the table and takes away quite a few , it makes the Q3 look even better value now. I will wait for the M12 / Q4 and see what they bring.

[TheEyesHaveIt]

So...any chance we'll get a Visoflex 3 with higher resolution? I'd rather take the flexibility of the Visoflex (articulating, removable, small enough to stick in my pocket when I don't need it) coupled with having a true RF when I want one than the EV1 as it exists today. If Leica had added the articulating screen from the Q3 and added some more interesting focus aids, then maybe I would've been convinced to jump in as a second camera to the M11. As it is right now, EV1 seems half-baked, so I'll see if they continue this line and what EV2 brings in a few years.

[hroark]

1 hour ago, Chito said:

As I understand it, in IBIS the sensor moves to compensate for camera shake.    So a larger image circle is needed since the sensor might drift out of the image projected by the lens.    

So in order for an M camera to have IBIS the sensor should be smaller than full frame.

IBIS in my SL2 works great with M lenses. 

[Sully]

Since I can't find any new batteries for my M262 (been trying for a year-no luck), maybe I should trade it in for the EV1.  At least I could get several back-up batteries for it.

[algrove]

2 minutes ago, Sully said:

Since I can't find any new batteries for my M262 (been trying for a year-no luck), maybe I should trade it in for the EV1.  At least I could get several back-up batteries for it.

Yes, but those batteries are VERY expensive.

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1 hour ago, Olaf_ZG said:

Don’t understand all those (very) negative reactions… what did you all expect? [...]

Complainers seem to miss that the MEV1 is almost exactly what it was intended to be since the beginning, i.e. an M11 camera with an EVF in place of the RF. The first idea was to cram the Visoflex 2 into the body if memory serves but Leica managed to mount that of the Q instead. Unsure what's not to like in all that.

[Chito]

17 minutes ago, hroark said:

IBIS in my SL2 works great with M lenses. 

After doing a bit of research it seems like even if a lens is designed for a 36x24 mm image it requires a 43mm image circle diameter.    Makes sense if I think about it, but it’ll probably vignette on the extreme edges.