Leica M EV1: The first M with EVF instead of Rangefinder

[justj]

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The Leica Q3 is available for pre-order at B&H Photo Video and Adorama

[JNK100]

7 hours ago, lykaman said:

It’s an intriguing camera, I see a lot of virtues in the design. It’s sort of a Q with interchangeable lenses.. I wonder when it will be available here in the US?…

Perhaps like a Q but without AF or OIS.

 

 

[jaapv]

7 hours ago, jaapv said:

Hmm. I think that they are relying on sales expectations that may be - or not be- in step with reality. It would not be the first time that they overestimated, particularly in an internet age where a small vocal group can easily skew estimates. As I said earlier - remember the X-Vario, Digilux 3 and hot-potato drop of the CL system? I wish them that they are right - but I would not bet too much on it.

They sure priced it to recover R&D with as few sales as possible. 

[SrMi]

2 minutes ago, jaapv said:

They sure priced it to recover R&D with as few sales as possible. 

The difference is almost USD 1K. How much cheaper could it be than the M11 with included RF mechanism vs included Q3's EVF?

[rramesh]

From the reviews of this camera it seems to me that Leica should have just named this the M11-O (Optician/Optometrist) edition. Seems that this release is not making any dramatic improvements to a Leica camera

[Xelamoon]

vor 5 Minuten schrieb SrMi:

The difference is almost USD 1K. How much cheaper could it be than the M11 with included RF mechanism vs included Q3's EVF?

Except it is not the Q3’s EVF because it is only 60hz and the M11 is turning 4 in a bit more than 2 months.

And was not the argument that the RF is extremely time intensive to manufacture.

[elmars]

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vor einer Stunde schrieb rfunnell:

Any one know whether it will be possible to export my profiles from Leica M11-P and import into the M EV1 .

And doers it use the same battery as the M11-P ?

No (same as from M11 to M11-P) and yes.

[SrMi]

1 minute ago, Xelamoon said:

Except it is not the Q3’s EVF because it is only 60hz and the M11 is turning 4 in a bit more than 2 months.

And was not the argument that the RF is extremely time intensive to manufacture.

The EVF is Q3's but M-EV1 cannot (or won't) feed it data at 120HZ.

[Xelamoon]

vor 1 Minute schrieb SrMi:

The EVF is Q3's but M-EV1 cannot (or won't) feed it data at 120HZ.

And that is acceptable for 8000€?

[jaapv]

17 minutes ago, SrMi said:

The difference is almost USD 1K. How much cheaper could it be than the M11 with included RF mechanism vs included Q3's EVF?

Without any insight in the production costs that is an unanswerable question. But we do know that the price of the RF mechanism is in the range of over 1500 EUR, that there is no need to diverge from the supply of sensors and other electronic parts and the retooling for mechanical bits must be minimal. 
The price margin will be set by sales expectations. 

[jaapv]

Just now, Xelamoon said:

And that is acceptable for 8000€?

Why not. The resultant quality counts, not the numbers. 

[LocalHero1953]

1 hour ago, Xelamoon said:

But are you not squarely in the number 1 target audience of old timers? Same as the person with the 1953 name. I see mostly 70+ year olds defending the camera and its half hearted execution.

I may be the person you mean (😁) but if this camera was aimed at me, then it failed. I’m 70+ and will stick to AF for digital and MF for film. But I can still see a market for this camera with people with different experience, age, shooting practice, physical characteristics, confidence levels, income and simple wants.

I seriously doubt this camera was targeted at 70+ old timers; I think it was intended to draw in a new audience for Leica. 95% of a younger age group of photographers will be uninterested in manual focusing and no IBIS, but Leica - with its prices - has never aimed for the mass market. They are doing comfortably in their small niche. They only need to attract a small percentage of the photography market to be a success. 

Edited Saturday at 09:32 AM by LocalHero1953

[Xelamoon]

vor 15 Minuten schrieb jaapv:

Why not. The resultant quality counts, not the numbers. 

This I don’t get. Saying: “Oh well, we just couldn’t figure out how to run the EVF at 120hz or create new focusing aids.” Does not seem like quality engineering to me, because yes electrical and software are also part of the engineering experience.

[Eugene Young]

I really do not understand the price of this camera. They take out AF and most importantly Lux lens from Q3 and then pricing much more than Q3. The price of this so called M v1 , 5 grands, at most 6 grandish would be enough.

[Alistairm]

Price is crazy. And I just learned the lenses don’t even autofocus. What are they thinking? 

[IkarusJohn]

1 hour ago, jaapv said:

They sure priced it to recover R&D with as few sales as possible. 

I take it you’re not a buyer then.

[Smogg]

11 minutes ago, Eugene Young said:

I really do not understand the price of this camera. They take out AF and most importantly Lux lens from Q3 and then pricing much more than Q3. The price of this so called M v1 , 5 grands, at most 6 grandish would be enough.

The price was made so high in order to accumulate free funds for R&D and to make EV2 with a new focus assistant😁

[jaapv]

8 minutes ago, IkarusJohn said:

I take it you’re not a buyer then.

Never was. 

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[jaapv]

24 minutes ago, Xelamoon said:

This I don’t get. Saying: “Oh well, we just couldn’t figure out how to run the EVF at 120hz or create new focusing aids.” Does not seem like quality engineering to me, because yes electrical and software are also part of the engineering experience.

The highest specification does not always mean the most desirable quality. I do not think that any of us is qualified to judge a design decision without any knowledge of the reasons behind it, and based on a single number too. So far the comments on the EVF are more than positive, that is what counts.

[jaapv]

18 minutes ago, Eugene Young said:

They take out AF and most importantly Lux lens from Q3 and then pricing much more than Q3

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