Leica M EV1: The first M with EVF instead of Rangefinder

[lykaman]

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It’s an intriguing camera, I see a lot of virtues in the design. It’s sort of a Q with interchangeable lenses.. I wonder when it will be available here in the US?…

[SoarFM]

3 hours ago, algrove said:

Yes, what ever the read out time.

However, I got the X2Dii mainly for use with excellent AF lenses which cost from $1500 to $3700. The IBIS alone sets this camera apart. The body costs $1700 less than the new EV1 and the feature set is phenomenal.

The ibis on the X2DII is nothing short of phenomenal. I was in Watkins Glen, NY (USA) and was on a hike with multiple waterfalls. I hand held every shot with a slow shutter speed (1/10-1/15) and it was tack sharp on the computer at 100% while showing the flowing water beautifully. I absolutely love my M but it is not  possible to hold the M reliably still at that speed. I also am in the SL system which has the benefit of ibis but using a MF (M) lens when you can ONLY use EVF focusing is no substitute for an M... 

Edited yesterday at 01:44 AM by SoarFM

[SoarFM]

3 hours ago, FrozenInTime said:

Without leaf shutter lenses, does that not leave an electronic shutter, with a read out time of 167...387ms ?

Yes it does. Kind of a deal killer for many situations.

[jaapv]

5 minutes ago, SoarFM said:

The ibis on the X2DII is nothing short of phenomenal. I was in Watkins Glen, NY (USA) and was on a hike with multiple waterfalls. I hand held every shot with a slow shutter speed (1/10-1/15) and it was tack sharp on the computer at 100% while showing the flowing water beautifully. I absolutely love my M but it is not  possible to hold the M reliably still at that speed. I also am in the SL system which has the benefit of ibis but using a MF (M) lens when you can ONLY use EVF focusing is no substitute for an M... 

On the M-EV1 you can ONLY use EVF focusing…

 

[bobtodrick]

1 hour ago, jaapv said:

Hmm. I think that they are relying on sales expectations that may be - or not be- in step with reality. It would not be the first time that they overestimated, particularly in an internet age where a small vocal group can easily skew estimates. As I said earlier - remember the X-Vario, Digilux 3 and hot-potato drop of the CL system? I wish them that they are right - but I would not bet too much on it.

I’ll bet you a whisky on it…we can meet 1/2 way…say Iceland 😂

[S Maclean]

2 hours ago, lykaman said:

It’s an intriguing camera, I see a lot of virtues in the design. It’s sort of a Q with interchangeable lenses.. I wonder when it will be available here in the US?…

Once the gov shutdown is over and they catch up

[TheEyesHaveIt]

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Do US stores have it on display or are they not allowed to even do that?

[mikeamosau]

8 minutes ago, TheEyesHaveIt said:

Do US stores have it on display or are they not allowed to even do that?

Nothing in store. 

[rramesh]

13 minutes ago, TheEyesHaveIt said:

Do US stores have it on display or are they not allowed to even do that?

Don't think they can. Without FCC approval they cannot import electronics that need that approval.

[SrMi]

5 hours ago, jaapv said:

Hmm. I think that they are relying on sales expectations that may be - or not be- in step with reality. It would not be the first time that they overestimated, particularly in an internet age where a small vocal group can easily skew estimates. As I said earlier - remember the X-Vario, Digilux 3 and hot-potato drop of the CL system? I wish them that they are right - but I would not bet too much on it.

Based on the interview and comments, I do not think Leica has high expectations for M-EV1. They are more cautiously optimistic. Unlike with Q, the R&D expense was kept to an absolute minimum, and they are prepared to jettison the whole project if it does not sell. The camera seems to have been launched in response to customer demand, not because Leica was persuaded it was the way to go.

[SrMi]

5 hours ago, SoarFM said:

The ibis on the X2DII is nothing short of phenomenal. I was in Watkins Glen, NY (USA) and was on a hike with multiple waterfalls. I hand held every shot with a slow shutter speed (1/10-1/15) and it was tack sharp on the computer at 100% while showing the flowing water beautifully. I absolutely love my M but it is not  possible to hold the M reliably still at that speed. I also am in the SL system which has the benefit of ibis but using a MF (M) lens when you can ONLY use EVF focusing is no substitute for an M... 

If it weren't for Leica cameras, the X2D II (with all its issues) would be my clear favorite. But we have a separate thread to discuss that

[Bliz]

5 hours ago, SoarFM said:

I hand held every shot with a slow shutter speed (1/10-1/15) and it was tack sharp on the computer at 100% while showing the flowing water beautifully.

IBIS really makes a massive difference, I know I can do 1/3 tack sharp with a 35mm lens on my A7C II, and the ibis on the Hasselblad is supposed to be a bit better.

[JNK100]

I have read a good number of reports and posts now about the EV1.

What is unclear to me is the reason to buy it. I have read that it may be aimed at two types of customer -

1. M-users with deteriorating eyesight.

Surely easier and much cheaper to buy an Visoflex for your existing camera. The other alternative of course is a Q - it's AF would be an advantage I bet to many users in this unfortunate position.

2. New users who love the 'M' for its looks an image or heritage but are intimidated by, or do not like the RF.

I am not sure if this type of potential customer would want to manually focus on an EVF as they may well be used to an AF camera. A Q would make sense in this situation.

I have an M and a Q but just cannot see who would buy this.

[lct]

1 minute ago, JNK100 said:

I have an M and a Q but just cannot see who would buy this.

M lens owners wanting the best mirrorless camera dedicated to them.

[SrMi]

5 hours ago, jaapv said:

On the M-EV1 you can ONLY use EVF focusing…

 

You can still focus with the scale on the lens.

[SrMi]

9 minutes ago, JNK100 said:

I have read a good number of reports and posts now about the EV1.

What is unclear to me is the reason to buy it. I have read that it may be aimed at two types of customer -

1. M-users with deteriorating eyesight.

Surely easier and much cheaper to buy an Visoflex for your existing camera. The other alternative of course is a Q - it's AF would be an advantage I bet to many users in this unfortunate position.

2. New users who love the 'M' for its looks an image or heritage but are intimidated by, or do not like the RF.

I am not sure if this type of potential customer would want to manually focus on an EVF as they may well be used to an AF camera. A Q would make sense in this situation.

I have an M and a Q but just cannot see who would buy this.

Leica has mentioned that the M-EV1 was launched in response to customer demand (LUF and LSI). The reasons why people buy it have been mentioned several times in this forum, but the flurry of activity will make it hard to find them.

[rfunnell]

Any one know whether it will be possible to export my profiles from Leica M11-P and import into the M EV1 .

And doers it use the same battery as the M11-P ?

Edited yesterday at 08:18 AM by rfunnell

[Xelamoon]

vor 29 Minuten schrieb lct:

M lens owners wanting the best mirrorless camera dedicated to them.

But are you not squarely in the number 1 target audience of old timers? Same as the person with the 1953 name. I see mostly 70+ year olds defending the camera and its half hearted execution.

[JNK100]

38 minutes ago, lct said:

M lens owners wanting the best mirrorless camera dedicated to them.

So, the M11 then 😉

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[JNK100]

34 minutes ago, rfunnell said:

Any one know whether it will be possible to export my profiles from Leica M11-P and import into the M EV1 .

And doers it use the same battery as the M11-P ?

Unlikely about the profiles but can't confirm.

It uses the same battery as the M11 yes