jaapv Posted July 6 Share #21 Posted July 6 Advertisement (gone after registration) 32 minutes ago, Robert Ardinger said: ort of dividing the M mount cameras into two lines - EVF line with all the current and yet to come modern goodies and an optical RF line with all of the heritage. How are you going to implement modern goodies with lenses that have no aperture connection, focus with a helicoid and have no electrical connection? 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Robert Ardinger Posted July 6 Share #22 Posted July 6 4 minutes ago, jaapv said: How are you going to implement modern goodies with lenses that have no aperture connection, focus with a helicoid and have no electrical connection? Was actually thinking of the M11's shutter/live view and video adding IBIS, high resolution EVF and a few other "niceties". Not having autofocus is a given in any "M" line, likewise no shutter priority or program mode - so many, but not all modern features. Mostly thinking of a non-optical (EVF) finder "M" mount body with perhaps the (hopefully minimal) size adjustments to handle the above mentioned features (perhaps resembling a traditional M in the way the M5 did ). More "M" than "SL". My "dream" M-12 would essentially be a digital M7 with the M11's sensor and a screen on the back (except of course in the M12-D) and the M11's lack of a baseplate! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick in CO Posted July 7 Author Share #23 Posted July 7 4 hours ago, jaapv said: How are you going to implement modern goodies with lenses that have no aperture connection, focus with a helicoid and have no electrical connection? So the Question remains - What would be Innovative? Is adding a built-in EVF to a camera that already has live view and an accessory EVF finder innovative? If speculation is correct that the camera is the M-V, then what does the "V" stand for? Varifocal? "M" is Messucher (rangefinder). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted July 7 Share #24 Posted July 7 1 hour ago, Rick in CO said: So the Question remains - What would be Innovative? Is adding a built-in EVF to a camera that already has live view and an accessory EVF finder innovative? If speculation is correct that the camera is the M-V, then what does the "V" stand for? Varifocal? "M" is Messucher (rangefinder). Innovative would be to implement an EVF based manual focusing system that can rival the rangefinder. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwertynm Posted July 7 Share #25 Posted July 7 manual focus subject detection like Nikon does it coupled with the small M lenses would be sweet. If they could do it, I hope Leica brings it to the Q as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted July 7 Share #26 Posted July 7 I think you'll find that putting an EVF in a M is going to be a step of innovation too far for a good many M owners. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick in CO Posted July 9 Author Share #27 Posted July 9 Advertisement (gone after registration) On 7/7/2025 at 1:09 AM, LocalHero1953 said: I think you'll find that putting an EVF in a M is going to be a step of innovation too far for a good many M owners. Perhaps some, but not all, as evidenced by the Leica Historical Society survey. My wish is for a Q-M, M lens mount on the Q body. Jaapv's point that the Q3/43's interlens shutter assembly be removed would dictate an electronic shutter only, and perhaps provide room for IBIS? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightPix Posted July 9 Share #28 Posted July 9 (edited) Frankly I’d be surprised if the M11-V wasn’t almost entirely “M11” and not much “Q”. No IBIS, no AF, etc. Just an M11 with an EVF and perhaps a few software improvements (eg focus peaking, subject recognition) to take advantage of the data stream already flowing to the live view screen. Some speculative renderings show the loss of the ISO wheel, but who knows. The market will be limited, I’m sure. The SL forum has many comments from people who use their SL’s mainly with M lenses to get an EVF (and IBIS), as well as concerns about the size and weight of the SL bodies. Leica may be seeing an opportunity to address this market by providing an EVF on the M11 (which would require a minimal investment compared to an extensively reworked body with IBIS etc). One thing is certain, they will charge more for the M11 with EVF. After all, we’re talking about Leica here. For those wanting the full RF experience, there is still the M11. Edited July 9 by NightPix 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted July 9 Share #29 Posted July 9 (edited) Posted in wrong thread. Edited July 9 by LocalHero1953 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxfordian Posted July 9 Share #30 Posted July 9 On 7/6/2025 at 3:46 AM, Le Chef said: If you want to put yourself to sleep it's a good read... Hmmm, a contradiction surely? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-train Posted July 19 Share #31 Posted July 19 I just saw the light in this matter: a Q in black painted brass! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
T25UFO Posted July 19 Share #32 Posted July 19 This thread and several others, despite very best endeavours, comes to no serious conclusion. One thing that hasn’t been addressed is why should Leica do anything? It already has a very comprehensive line up with M, Q and SL. This meets the needs of those that want the OVF and the EVF, the latter can be used with auto or manual focus lenses. Then you have the fixed lens option (Q) with two different focal lengths. Leica already has more options than most other manufacturers, not even including compact (D Lux), instant (Sofort) and iPhone attachments (Lux). The investment needed for yet another variant, whose success is far from certain, may not be worth the effort. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-train Posted July 19 Share #33 Posted July 19 My conclusion was essentially the same, but with less words…. The Q3 in BPB! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliot Harper Posted July 19 Share #34 Posted July 19 7 minutes ago, F-train said: My conclusion was essentially the same, but with less words…. The Q3 in BPB! What’s BPB? Bone Palace Ballet ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-train Posted July 19 Share #35 Posted July 19 Black Paint Brass! 😀 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted July 19 Share #36 Posted July 19 2 hours ago, T25UFO said: This thread and several others, despite very best endeavours, comes to no serious conclusion. One thing that hasn’t been addressed is why should Leica do anything? It already has a very comprehensive line up with M, Q and SL. This meets the needs of those that want the OVF and the EVF, the latter can be used with auto or manual focus lenses. Then you have the fixed lens option (Q) with two different focal lengths. Leica already has more options than most other manufacturers, not even including compact (D Lux), instant (Sofort) and iPhone attachments (Lux). The investment needed for yet another variant, whose success is far from certain, may not be worth the effort. Leica is missing the CL: a small and light ILC. An M with EVF comes a bit closer to the CL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
T25UFO Posted July 19 Share #37 Posted July 19 1 hour ago, SrMi said: Leica is missing the CL: a small and light ILC. An M with EVF comes a bit closer to the CL. Yes, I forgot about the CL. It was popular and had a strong following. I suppose Leica’s decision to abandon the APS-C format killed it off. It would have been nice to see that transition into a full frame camera. I was also sorry to see the X series go and thought that could have been developed further. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick in CO Posted Sunday at 09:28 PM Author Share #38 Posted Sunday at 09:28 PM Leica M-EV1 ? Companion to the Q3/Q3 43 ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
schipper Posted Monday at 08:20 AM Share #39 Posted Monday at 08:20 AM (edited) Better a SL3 to put a 90mm or the 90/280 and the futur 135 mm. Since you have already a compact camera with the Q3. My guess is that people who will buy the M evf will be new comer without Q3 mostly. Edited Monday at 08:21 AM by schipper Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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