Derbyshire Man Posted June 6 Share #41 Posted June 6 Advertisement (gone after registration) 2 hours ago, Smogg said: Leica M is not about software/firmware and color science (the colors of different models are noticeably different and the developers don't care), but exclusively about ergonomics, premium quality of materials and quality of optics. Some users accept this, some don't. I mostly agree with you but not here, the Leica M should be about ergonomics, etc but the only way for that to happen is for the firmware to get out of the way, so slow start up, freezes and rare loss of files is anathema to the central ethos of the product. Hence more effort needed on the firmware! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Smogg Posted June 6 Share #42 Posted June 6 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Derbyshire Man said: I mostly agree with you but not here, the Leica M should be about ergonomics, etc but the only way for that to happen is for the firmware to get out of the way, so slow start up, freezes and rare loss of files is anathema to the central ethos of the product. Hence more effort needed on the firmware! 1. Slow start is not really a problem. Given the low power consumption, the camera can be left on all the time and is instantly ready to shoot. 2. Leica has solved the problem with freezing, although with great difficulty. 3. If you do not use the built-in memory, then everything is ok with the files, no one has complained about problems with SD cards for a long time. But one way or another, the firmware is far from ideal (the continuous shooting mode is buggy, the pause between repeated pressings of the shutter is unacceptably long, and the magentagate has not gone away). Edited June 6 by Smogg 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuan Anh Posted June 7 Share #43 Posted June 7 4 hours ago, Smogg said: 3. If you do not use the built-in memory, then everything is ok with the files, no one has complained about problems with SD cards for a long time. I can't use the built-in memory because the camera is not yet finished. The error could occur at any time and from an unknown where. If they sold the camera without internal memory, I could accept that. Since it includes internal memory and comes with such that price tag,both I and other Leica users demand it to function properly.Internal memory is not merely a decorative feature on a specification list. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/421564-internal-memory-full/?do=findComment&comment=5813738'>More sharing options...
Smogg Posted June 7 Share #44 Posted June 7 3 hours ago, Tuan Anh said: I can't use the built-in memory because the camera is not yet finished. The error could occur at any time and from an unknown where. If they sold the camera without internal memory, I could accept that. Since it includes internal memory and comes with such that price tag,both I and other Leica users demand it to function properly.Internal memory is not merely a decorative feature on a specification list. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I agree with you. Don't think that I'm justifying the developers. I believe that one wrong hardware design decision (maybe more than one) led to a cascade of problems that Leica still can't fully solve, no matter how hard they try (I'm sure they do). Accordingly, Leica had a choice: either completely discontinue production of the camera or try to mitigate the problem with software patches. Discontinuing production means huge material losses and the anger of shareholders, while continuing to produce the camera means some reputational losses. The choice was difficult and it was made in favor of the second decision, hoping that software engineers would be able to reduce the problems to an acceptable level. What's the bottom line? Let's wait for the M12 and hope that this won't happen again. In the meantime, let's use the M11 (it's not that bad) as a replacement car, which large auto repair shops provide while your car is being repaired. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuan Anh Posted June 7 Share #45 Posted June 7 I filled a complaint and got reply by their Complaint manager.Hope it will be fixed in the next comming patch/firmware. P/S: Been few days since i’ve stopped using FOTOS and my Leica doesn’t have any error so far.I don’t deny that FOTOS is a good app but let’s see.Before,with frequent using FOTOS,i got this error like 2-3 times per week. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/421564-internal-memory-full/?do=findComment&comment=5813821'>More sharing options...
didier Posted June 7 Share #46 Posted June 7 This thread has huge effect on me : I was enventually about to get a M11, though I am not very fond of the shutter. Going through those posts just is just about to convince me to defintely avoid this M generation… 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted June 8 Share #47 Posted June 8 Advertisement (gone after registration) 15 hours ago, didier said: This thread has huge effect on me : I was enventually about to get a M11, though I am not very fond of the shutter. Going through those posts just is just about to convince me to defintely avoid this M generation… Like many other M11 owners, I think this is the best digital M Leica has ever made. But FUD is very strong with this model. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 8 Share #48 Posted June 8 Well, they would not be owners otherwise. The camera would either not be bought or sold shortly after purchase. 🤩 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted June 8 Share #49 Posted June 8 (edited) 3 hours ago, jaapv said: Well, they would not be owners otherwise. The camera would either not be bought or sold shortly after purchase. 🤩 Yes. It seems that the M11 is selling well. Edited June 8 by SrMi 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuan Anh Posted Wednesday at 08:09 AM Share #50 Posted Wednesday at 08:09 AM I’ve just receive this reply and wish for the best. P/S: Previous post i mentioned about not using FOTOS for 1 week;it’s today.I haven’t got any error so far.My guess it may come from compatibility issue between FOTOS and the cam. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/421564-internal-memory-full/?do=findComment&comment=5815929'>More sharing options...
justj Posted Wednesday at 10:39 AM Share #51 Posted Wednesday at 10:39 AM Can't believe I am getting the same error message. It only happened today when I try to import my holidays photos to LR. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/421564-internal-memory-full/?do=findComment&comment=5816000'>More sharing options...
Tuan Anh Posted Wednesday at 11:15 AM Share #52 Posted Wednesday at 11:15 AM Woot, the same thing happened to the 11P Safari too.I'm quite sure this problem is related to the FOTOS app.My advice is to report this to Leica customer care and let them know that their latest M camera is having this error as well.In the meantime,restricting the use of the FOTOS app may help you prevent this problem Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
justj Posted Wednesday at 12:07 PM Share #53 Posted Wednesday at 12:07 PM 50 minutes ago, Tuan Anh said: Woot, the same thing happened to the 11P Safari too.I'm quite sure this problem is related to the FOTOS app.My advice is to report this to Leica customer care and let them know that their latest M camera is having this error as well.In the meantime,restricting the use of the FOTOS app may help you prevent this problem It's like I hit the jackpot with this m11p safari- battery problem, sensor problem and now the internal memory problem. It's going back to Leica tomorrow, hope they will sort all the problems out. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
justj Posted Wednesday at 01:48 PM Share #54 Posted Wednesday at 01:48 PM What I find the most scaring is that all the image that were in the internal memory are gone. If I didn't also save images in the SD I will have no pictures at all. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuan Anh Posted Thursday at 01:23 AM Share #55 Posted Thursday at 01:23 AM 11 hours ago, justj said: What I find the most scaring is that all the image that were in the internal memory are gone. If I didn't also save images in the SD I will have no pictures at all. Even you can’t access to internal memory to get your photos on the cam.Connect it to PC/Mac.The photos are still there.I tried and confirm. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
justj Posted Thursday at 03:25 AM Share #56 Posted Thursday at 03:25 AM 1 hour ago, Tuan Anh said: Even you can’t access to internal memory to get your photos on the cam.Connect it to PC/Mac.The photos are still there.I tried and confirm. Unfortunately it is not the case. It says the folder is empty under LEICA-M11P > internal > DCIM , and it is 3.68GB free of 224GB 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted Thursday at 02:20 PM Share #57 Posted Thursday at 02:20 PM 10 hours ago, justj said: Unfortunately it is not the case. It says the folder is empty under LEICA-M11P > internal > DCIM I would seek in LEICA-M11P > internal > DCIM > 100LEICA if you have a folder like that. See below on Mac. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/421564-internal-memory-full/?do=findComment&comment=5816696'>More sharing options...
justj Posted Thursday at 02:48 PM Share #58 Posted Thursday at 02:48 PM 24 minutes ago, lct said: I would seek in LEICA-M11P > internal > DCIM > 100LEICA if you have a folder like that. See below on Mac. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Unfortunately the folder is empty under DCIM. It's now on the way back to Leica, I can only hope all the problems I have with the m11ps will be solved. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgh Posted Thursday at 10:03 PM Share #59 Posted Thursday at 10:03 PM 7 hours ago, justj said: Unfortunately the folder is empty under DCIM. It's now on the way back to Leica, I can only hope all the problems I have with the m11ps will be solved. So to clarify, did you just straight up lose a bunch of your images due to this hard drive problem on you M11P? This wouldn't be the first example of this happening. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
justj Posted yesterday at 02:49 AM Share #60 Posted yesterday at 02:49 AM 4 hours ago, pgh said: So to clarify, did you just straight up lose a bunch of your images due to this hard drive problem on you M11P? This wouldn't be the first example of this happening. It appears so. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/421564-internal-memory-full/?do=findComment&comment=5816952'>More sharing options...
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