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Very nice summary by Smudgerer.   The M11-D is my only M camera and I will add, based on my own experiences, that the Visoflex 2 and several new close-focus lenses really makes this camera multi-dimensional.  As you probably know, only an M11 body can optimize use of the Visoflex 2.

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11 hours ago, pgh said:

Whatever the term or method it’s easier to get a handheld image sharp with a 50mm lens at 1/60 on the 24 mp m10 than it is to get one on the m11 at 18mp, by about 1- 1.5 stops roughly, in my actual use, which is all I really care about. 

@SrMi ^ see my above statement. Actual use. Field use. I own an M10M, and with the same technique and shooting habits I need roughly a stop faster shutter speed / focal length for the same reliably sharp images I need on my M10. I accept it more readily with the M10M because noise and monochrome images is a different sort of thing.

When I rented an M11 it was a bit worse, and it was still present (if slightly mitigated) at the smaller file sizes for given shutter speeds. Yes I thought that was a little strange, but whatever.

Call this a feeling (exif information and seeing unsharp imagery isn't a feeling, but whatever), call it constant field testing, call it whatever you want.

I don't know how much more explicitly I can put it. I don't care about how these things register in a lab - I care about what happens when I'm doing my work, which is the only relevant test. 

As others have pointed out, you can just shoot at a faster shutter speed. Then no issues. Except that means compromises sometimes, and that's up for the user to define if that's an issue. For some of us, it is.

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vor 35 Minuten schrieb pgh:

I own an M10M, and with the same technique and shooting habits I need roughly a stop faster shutter speed / focal length for the same reliably sharp images I need on my M10.

At what magnification are you looking at the photos of the M10 and M11? Always 100 %?

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4 hours ago, elmars said:

At what magnification are you looking at the photos of the M10 and M11? Always 100 %?

Is there any other relevant magnification for pixel peeping sharpness? 

Correct, I am not comparing an image magnified at 200% image to 100% one. 

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19 hours ago, elmars said:

This refers to pgh post No 80 on page 4 of this thread. 

 The M11 produces blurry images. Has anyone bothered to compare it statistically with cameras with lower resolution? 

I've owned the M11 since the first batches were shipped and I've never observed or heard of the M11 producing blurry images.  In fact some might say the M11 produces images that are too sharp...........

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1 hour ago, DenverSteve said:

I've owned the M11 since the first batches were shipped and I've never observed or heard of the M11 producing blurry images.  In fact some might say the M11 produces images that are too sharp...........

Might be good to read for more context as the summary you respond to is disingenuous and incomplete. 

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after a few months of daily use, an interesting kind of 'patina' appears to develop on my M11-D, kind of a 'wear on gear' pattern, but just on the ISO/ASA/DIN dial, for now at least...
i didn't check yet the pattern's counterface, carved in cotton assumably.

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