Jeff S Posted April 26 Share #21 Posted April 26 Advertisement (gone after registration) 4 hours ago, setuporg said: A Q with the 28mm is like an iPhone. You'll always document life and fit in a scene, and it will be all in focus and quite boring most of the time. That sounds like lazy photography, not a gear or focal length issue. Stopping down a lens, and composing an interesting pic/print from side to side, and front to back, can distinguish excellent from mediocre work. This is well supported throughout photo history. The bokeh craze is especially boring for me. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tseg Posted April 26 Share #22 Posted April 26 In fairness, an excellent photographer can make excellent photos with an iPhone. We tell ourselves $10K+ worth of equipment enables us to go out the door to take pictures. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbyshire Man Posted April 26 Share #23 Posted April 26 Someone was saying they'd been to the World Press Awards (or similar) and 80% of the shots had been with a 24mm lens. As ever it depends on what you are trying to achieve with your photography, if anything! 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhotoCruiser Posted April 26 Share #24 Posted April 26 My guess and opinion too is that the reason is that a wider lens packs more scenery on the image what for press photo when hurry is normal makes the difference and maybe big $$$. I as probably press photographers too prefer to crop later rather than ruin a (important) shot because not all fit on the photo and/or subjects are cut. For any kind of photography where hurry is not a issue then things change, if i have time then i can walk towards/away from the scene to compose it as i like. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhotoCruiser Posted April 26 Share #25 Posted April 26 (edited) vor 12 Stunden schrieb setuporg: A Q with the 28mm is like an iPhone. You'll always document life and fit in a scene, and it will be all in focus and quite boring most of the time. I respect your believe but see it quite different. I photograph totally differently with my iPhone than with my Q2 or SL2 and boring photos have nothing to do with the camera, but with the photographer behind. When using my Leicas i spend much more time for composition than with my iPhone what i use for nothing important or if i don't have another camera with me. If i would invest more time to learn how i could make my iPhone photos better then they would be better, but i don't mind about that as it's not my preferred camera. Chris Edited April 26 by PhotoCruiser 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
costa43 Posted April 26 Share #26 Posted April 26 A decent 24mm lens is probably the cut off for me when it comes to retaining a wide but relatively natural field of view. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbyshire Man Posted April 26 Share #27 Posted April 26 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 minute ago, costa43 said: A decent 24mm lens is probably the cut off for me when it comes to retaining a wide but relatively natural field of view. Yep it's either at the wide end of the 24-70 or middle of the 15/16-35, both of which are ubiquitous in press photography. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted April 26 Share #28 Posted April 26 19 hours ago, setuporg said: A Q with the 28mm is like an iPhone. You'll always document life and fit in a scene, and it will be all in focus and quite boring most of the time. The Q3 43 takes a lot of photos wide open that are artistic looking out of the box. So I'd say go for it. You must have a unicorn iPhone then because my iPhone 15 Pro can't touch even the original Q shots: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 7 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/420579-thinking-of-switching-m11-p-for-q3-43/?do=findComment&comment=5792652'>More sharing options...
sebben Posted April 26 Share #29 Posted April 26 Nothing wrong with that camera ☝️ 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leica Filmmatic Posted April 28 Share #30 Posted April 28 As others have said add if you can don’t replace. My first Leica was the q2m that made me want an m11. I sold my m11 for a while then eventually got the q343 and I then I traded that in for the m11 bp. Now I want the q343 back 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 28 Share #31 Posted April 28 6 hours ago, Leica Filmmatic said: As others have said add if you can don’t replace. My first Leica was the q2m that made me want an m11. I sold my m11 for a while then eventually got the q343 and I then I traded that in for the m11 bp. Now I want the q343 back Never sell a Leica. Just buy another one. 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwimac Posted April 28 Share #32 Posted April 28 (edited) The problem with Leica M cameras is that they get under your skin. I’m not particularly bothered about the “rangefinder experience” per se - the best thing about it for me is that it uses no power. However I’ve owned M cameras on and off for about 25 years now. I usually end up getting frustrated with some aspect or other and move to something else that solves whatever it was. It doesn’t solve the problem that whatever the replacement is, it’s not an M! I changed from the M 11 to the Hasselblad X2D. It’s not that much bigger or heavier in comparison (depending on lens choices) and it solved the problem that bothered me the most about the M 11: the colour. I found it very inconsistent in that regard: some images looked amazing and some very average and there was no obvious reason for it that I could ascertain. The colour out of the X2D is the best I’ve ever seen from a digital camera. You know what I’m about to say though…! It’s great - AF is fine within the limitations of the likely uses of the camera, the 1x EVF is really good, build is fabulous etc etc. But it’s not an M…! So now I’m looking for an affordable way back that doesn’t involve trading in the Hasselblad. A Q3 43 would actually possibly be more suitable but…. It’s not an M. 🤪 Edited April 28 by Kiwimac 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viv Posted April 28 Share #33 Posted April 28 On 4/18/2025 at 7:05 PM, DG_MP said: I appreciate Test Drives are available and I will be enquiring however there is a long wait for one with no date in the near future available. Has anybody made the switch from M11-P to Q3 43 or considering it? I have both M11 and the Q2. What do you want to know? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viv Posted April 28 Share #34 Posted April 28 On 4/25/2025 at 9:44 PM, setuporg said: A Q with the 28mm is like an iPhone. You'll always document life and fit in a scene, and it will be all in focus and quite boring most of the time. The Q3 43 takes a lot of photos wide open that are artistic looking out of the box. So I'd say go for it. This is untrue, in my experience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
setuporg Posted April 29 Share #35 Posted April 29 13 hours ago, Viv said: This is untrue, in my experience. I thought so, too, until I got the Q3 43. The Q2 does not make much sense anymore. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted April 29 Share #36 Posted April 29 14 hours ago, Viv said: This is untrue, in my experience. Dito. I have both Q3 and Q3 43, and I find the 28mm lens more challenging yet more rewarding to use. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viv Posted April 29 Share #37 Posted April 29 5 hours ago, setuporg said: I thought so, too, until I got the Q3 43. The Q2 does not make much sense anymore. It makes sense to me ... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
emlokto Posted April 29 Share #38 Posted April 29 Vague 'gut-feel' observation, but the Q3 43mm is far more APO-ish (and is, in fact, an APO lens) than the Q3 28mm is Summilux-ish (which seems hampered compared to an actual Summilux M lens). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynaerik Posted April 29 Share #39 Posted April 29 ... the Q3-43 plus Q2 or Q3 with their 28mm Summilux lenses makes a great combos for travelling. I would miss the charm of old M lenses. But the combo 43 and 28 is super versatile. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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