roydonian Posted February 26 Share #61 Posted February 26 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, Chris W said: Only if it's in direct competition or is selling like hotcakes and exhibits some ground breaking new ideas. Even a camera that fails in the marketplace will be worth a strip down and study by other manufacturers - it could have a design feature worthy of note. When I worked as a designer of computer hardware, I found that an excellent solution to a persistent problem I and other designers were facing was a component being used not in rival computers but in 'fruit machines'. When Israel was developing its 'Iron Dome' missile, one of the design engineers realised that a component in a child's toy that he was trying to repair was a very cost-effective solution to a feature planned for the new missile. Edited February 26 by roydonian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KitW Posted February 26 Share #62 Posted February 26 The lack of a viewfinder is a deal breaker for me too. And I don't see anywhere to mount an external one. But that said... Good luck to them. If it wasn't for the lack of viewfinder I would find it a much more attractive camera than the FPL. And at the end of the day what's good for the l mount will be good for the rest of us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris W Posted February 27 Share #63 Posted February 27 Yes, there was a great deal to like about the FP (and FPL), great still image quality, easy to use and excellent video features. I was hoping for a follow up that addressed the lack of viewfinder and mechanical shutter. Instead they've done neither and complicated the video features instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
keeping_a_balance Posted February 28 Share #64 Posted February 28 Much more into menu and operation of the camera…. Says AF is much better than FP, (I would only assume so)… 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted March 9 Share #65 Posted March 9 the AF was quite nice, and the camera was fun to try out, though the queue was astronomical, same for the S2Rii, crazy long line of people. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/419472-sigma-bf-camera/?do=findComment&comment=5769384'>More sharing options...
helged Posted March 9 Share #66 Posted March 9 4 hours ago, frame-it said: the AF was quite nice, and the camera was fun to try out, though the queue was astronomical, same for the S2Rii, crazy long line of people. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! This is a beauty! Not for me, but just cool & beautiful. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LocalHero1953 Posted March 9 Share #68 Posted March 9 (edited) I feel the same about the BF as I did about the TL2: a beautiful camera, and I want one. But, as I found with with the TL2, I probably wouldn't use it that much, and would end up selling it - the absence of an EVF was the issue. I have a faint hope that, just as the TL2 was followed by the much more practical CL, Sigma will launch a slightly taller BF including an EVF. Sigma CF anyone? Edited March 9 by LocalHero1953 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris W Posted March 9 Share #69 Posted March 9 1 hour ago, LocalHero1953 said: Sigma will launch a slightly taller BF including an EVF. This is the successor to the FP and FP-L that also suffered from no EVF. Before that I owned a couple of the DP Merrills, also screen only. The Peta Pixel review states the BF rear screen is almost impossible to use in bright daylight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nykv Posted March 9 Share #70 Posted March 9 On 2/25/2025 at 5:59 PM, SrMi said: I believe the source was not the manufacturer but people disassembling the sensor and measuring. What source? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted March 9 Share #71 Posted March 9 Just now, nykv said: What source? Kolari et al. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nykv Posted March 9 Share #72 Posted March 9 There must be a reason Sigma went from the 61MP of the fp L to 24 MP of the BF. Someone in the know might share it with us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZHNL Posted March 9 Share #73 Posted March 9 I don't think this one is the successor for FP. Maybe next FP will use Foveon Sensor. It is a niche product, it doesn't need to please everyone but for the thing it is shine, it may attract enough buyers that is all Sigma want. It also build a nice brand image IMHO, sigma is "COOL" that do things differently. Most smart phone crowd want to have a better camera and dont need a viewfinder. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted March 9 Share #74 Posted March 9 46 minutes ago, nykv said: There must be a reason Sigma went from the 61MP of the fp L to 24 MP of the BF. Someone in the know might share it with us Cost? Better for shooting moving subjects (faster readout)? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynp Posted March 9 Share #75 Posted March 9 27 minutes ago, ZHNL said: Most smart phone crowd want to have a better camera and dont need a viewfinder. One of the youngsters in my family wants the BF in black for her birthday. My FP-l is on a loan to her now and she is using my Konica 21-35 optical viewfinder with her two Sigma lenses. She glued a cold shoe in the top left to the plane of film sign and said it’s enough for her. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted March 9 Share #76 Posted March 9 32 minutes ago, ZHNL said: Most smart phone crowd want to have a better camera and dont need a viewfinder. Also, many from the young crowd want a camera that does not go overboard with in-camera processing, as smartphones do. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nykv Posted March 9 Share #77 Posted March 9 (edited) 1 hour ago, ynp said: One of the youngsters in my family wants the BF in black for her birthday. My FP-l is on a loan to her now and she is using my Konica 21-35 optical viewfinder with her two Sigma lenses. She glued a cold shoe in the top left to the plane of film sign and said it’s enough for her. My last attempt to convince youngsters (my daughter) to use a camera was with a Minolta CLE (before the 2/40 was hyped, long before that fizzled on luf). First year 2 films, the next 1 film, returned during the third year with a half full roll inside. She's musical though and I'm aware I can't be impartial, but the family and her friends like her photos taken with an unspeakable... Oh, glueing! There are cold shoe adaptors for the tripod mount. I remember I did that at beginning of the millennium for my first digital (p&s, very soon after that my second digital was a 1Ds). Looking at folks during a party under the camera led to smiles and showing the photo on the spot got even more happy faces. Edited March 9 by nykv 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nykv Posted March 9 Share #78 Posted March 9 (edited) 1 hour ago, SrMi said: Cost? Better for shooting moving subjects (faster readout)? Cost? 2k€/$ Edited March 9 by nykv Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted March 9 Share #79 Posted March 9 25 minutes ago, nykv said: Cost? 2k€/$ Cheaper than fp-L. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nykv Posted March 9 Share #80 Posted March 9 They probably do the cams as Cosina does M<m Voigties: fun and prestige. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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