EVF M rumoured

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vor 11 Stunden schrieb archive_all:

Have you considered contact lenses? I wear glasses too but usually install contact lenses for times I plan to bring any camera with me.

Yes, contact lenses are great for this - actually one of the biggest reasons to have them was to be able to use binoculars/cameras. However, the last time I tried them I ran into problems wearing them. In the meantime another complication arrived, that I became far-sighted. So with contact lenses I could use the viewfinder, but not operate the camera 😛

The one saving grace with my messed up eyes is, that if I just look over the rim of my glasses, I can perfectly read on distances of about 20-30cm. Which is ideal for operating the back side screen of my camera.

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[jaapv]

Leica offers diopter screw-in correction lenses in various basic strengths; best chosen by trial and error and Walterleica makes special diopter screw-in correction lenses with automatic astigmatism compensation. Send him your prescription and he makes them individually. He also offers contrast- increasing coatings which I can recommend. I have a blank one with gold coating which I really like. 

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vor 3 Minuten schrieb jaapv:

Leica offers diopter screw-in correction lenses in various strengths  and Walterleica makes special diopter screw-in correction lenses with automatic astigmatism compensation. 

I fear, not for me. But the next time I am at the Leica store I will ask whether I can try one out. But I don't think they are strong enough.

[TDog]

2 minutes ago, -ph- said:

I fear, not for me. But the next time I am at the Leica store I will ask whether I can try one out. But I don't think they are strong enough.

Yeah I’m -6 prescription, there’s nothing even close I could find. 

[Jeff S]

15 minutes ago, -ph- said:

I fear, not for me. But the next time I am at the Leica store I will ask whether I can try one out. But I don't think they are strong enough.

You could experiment with free trial diopters at your local optician. Then, after determining strength, either buy from Leica if produced, or contact Walter Leica if not for possible custom piece.

https://walterleica.com

[sinjun]

Regarding the RF vs EVF debate, I use both and make use of the strengths of both. People say that it is hard to focus with EVF e.g. on wideangle lenses and/or stopped down. But a lot of my photographs are of scenery ( I wouldn't glorify them with the term landscape photography). With RF I would often stop down and focus at infinity but with EVF and contrast detect you can get a sense of what maximises the contrast across the frame, finding the sweet spot by pulling in somewhat from infinity.

[jaapv]

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41 minutes ago, Jeff S said:

You could experiment with free trial diopters at your local optician. Then, after determining strength, either buy from Leica if produced, or contact Walter Leica if not for possible custom piece.

https://walterleica.com

I can thoroughly recommend Walterleica. I have a gold coated blank one for contrast and it is beautifully made. The OP only has to send his prescription to Walter and he will make an individual custom one,  astigmatism compensated too. 
Leica has only a limited simple ones and quite a few shops do not stock them for trial.

[DadDadDaddyo]

14 minutes ago, sinjun said:

With RF I would often stop down and focus at infinity but with EVF and contrast detect you can get a sense of what maximises the contrast across the frame, finding the sweet spot by pulling in somewhat from infinity.

Absolutely. These different finder systems offer differing strong points and weak points. The key is matching the finder system you use to your requirements, general or immediate. 

Only the Fujifilm X-Pro system offered a means to make such a selection, built into the camera itself, shot by shot. 

With the digital Ms we get the EVF in an auxiliary finder clamped into the accessory shoe. This is a valid and time-honored approach by Leica. One could fill a substantial chapter in a book with all the solutions that Leica has come up with to fulfill various finder requirements. Taken together, they are a testament to the soundness of the original design and the flexibility it enables. 

jaapv's recollection that the issue with a variable diopter for the M finder is complicated by the multiple virtual distances inherent in the multiple light paths within the one-window finder rings true to me. I'm no optical engineer, but I'll bet it would require, at the very least, additional lenses in those light paths to bring the apparent distances into conformity, and then a variable lens arrangement at the tail end as well. 

Plus, I'm guessing the virtual or apparent distance of the moving portion of the rangefinder patch itself changes as you focus. Not by much maybe, but enough, as you go from infinity to closest distance, to complicate matters further. 

In the X-Pro finder this was not an issue, because there is no rangefinder. Except for the window finder itself, the extra elements are all projections, presumably at fixed apparent distances. 

If you mostly want an optical finder but occasionally need an EVF, the current M solution works well. 

If you prefer an EVF, at least most of the time, an EVF-based body might be something you'll want.

But, again, it's a lot simpler to clamp an EVF onto a rangefinder body than it would be to clamp a rangefinder (let alone a coupled rangefinder) onto an EVF body.... 

 

[lct]

1 hour ago, -ph- said:

[...] Do some more work on the software, like a magnified focus patch in the middle of the image [...]

The M11 can do this already with focus magnification. The size of the patch can be adjusted easily... oops! i said easily sorry 😉 with the thumbwheel and the patch itself can pop up automatically when turning the focus ring. Did i say easy again? Stronger than me sorry 😁

 

[T25UFO]

6 hours ago, jaapv said:

A creative solution would be to use a Walter eyepiece and a progressive or reading strength monocle in the left eye   

If it gets that complicated, try a simple solution and just use a different camera 🙂

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vor 7 Minuten schrieb lct:

The M11 can do this already with focus magnification. The size of the patch can be adjusted easily... oops! i said easily sorry 😉 with the thumbwheel and the patch itself can pop up automatically when turning the focus ring. Did i say easy again? Stronger than me sorry 😁

 

Ah, that is good to know I never tried this with the M11, should do so at the next occasion. 

[charlesphoto99]

The best eyeglasses solution was when Leica offered .58X finders. I so regret having sold my M6TTL .58X finder so many years ago....

One thing that doesn't get mentioned is that the beauty of the M finder for those with eye issues is that one is looking straight through the finder to distance (except for the patch of course). Whenever I use an SLR for an extended period of time it feels like my eye is going to fall out of its socket due to it focusing on a mirror a mere inch away or so. Similar thing with an EVF. So an EVF in and of itself may not be an ideal solution for all users who wear glasses (or not). 

Edited April 25 by charlesphoto99

[DadDadDaddyo]

Here's where progressives rescue me. It quickly becomes second nature to peer through the part of the lenses that works best, even as I switch cameras. 

They work well even going from waist level ground glass in an old Hasselblad or Mamiya TLR to an eye level arrangement on a Leica. 

You don't even think about it. 

[jdlaing]

On 4/19/2025 at 3:25 PM, jaapv said:

I meant a significant rival...

I’m shooting one of these now for the next month. I was pleasantly surprised. It has some very nice features.

[jaapv]

I’m sure it’s a nice camera but hardly a commercial threat to Leica. Come to think of it, why hasn’t it popped up earlier in this thread?

[hdmesa]

I wonder if an M11-V will still have the tight tolerances to allow properly calibrated M lenses to hit exact infinity focus at the infinity hard stop of the lens. It would be unfortunate if the M11-V allows focusing slightly past infinity similar to how most M adapters on non-M cameras allow.

[frankchn]

On 4/26/2025 at 1:50 PM, hdmesa said:

I wonder if an M11-V will still have the tight tolerances to allow properly calibrated M lenses to hit exact infinity focus at the infinity hard stop of the lens. It would be unfortunate if the M11-V allows focusing slightly past infinity similar to how most M adapters on non-M cameras allow.

It should work the same as every other M camera — just with no focus tab and always-on EVF. 

In any case, the official M-to-L adapter is well calibrated for my M lenses on my SL3, so I think the problem with non-Leica adapters is that they are just not built to the same tolerance and they know it. If you have to err one way or the other, I would prefer focusing past infinity to not being able to reach infinity at all.

Edited April 29 by frankchn

[lct]

Not sure to see the problem. If the M11-V is an M-mount camera it won't need any adapter.

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[jdlaing]

On 4/26/2025 at 3:50 PM, hdmesa said:

I wonder if an M11-V will still have the tight tolerances to allow properly calibrated M lenses to hit exact infinity focus at the infinity hard stop of the lens. It would be unfortunate if the M11-V allows focusing slightly past infinity similar to how most M adapters on non-M cameras allow.

That doesn’t work well with temperature conversion on the helicoid. If the tolerance was too tight the lens might not focus to infinity at the hard stop. I’d rather have the tolerance.

[jaapv]

I think that this effect is imperceptible with the size of M lenses. Well, maybe on a Noctilux.