EVF M rumoured

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vor 2 Stunden schrieb lct:

Does video make sense with manual lenses?

If you know, how to use them or have a focus puller as assistent - why not? 🙂

vor 2 Stunden schrieb lct:

As an M-mount camera, the EVF-M (M11-V?) has little reason to retain video, especially if Leica wants to keep the body thinner than the M240. I have no info about that though.

Most of the required electronics and software are already onboard, when if has an EVF. Just add an encoder, some menu items, two cheap microphones and a seperate recording button. Ready. Scaler and encoder chips no longer produce as much heat as they did 10 years ago.

When the M240 came out, it was the first mirrorless hybrid fullframe camera - something very special. An M11-V can no longer offer this unique selling point but the additional effort would be minimal.

Edited April 1 by 3D-Kraft.com

[adan]

3 minutes ago, jaapv said:

I was thinking of the space created by omitting the whole rangefinder mechanism, Andy 

An EVF M would need a constant video feed anyway. 

So was I. 😆

[Olaf_ZG]

Whatever it will be, it won’t be for me.

I couldn’t care less about a M evf. I have a Q and SL. As well as some old M’s. Not interested in anything above the m10r/m.

just to bring some bias in the discussion. Not everyone sees the need for it…

[SrMi]

12 minutes ago, jaapv said:

Umm. Perspective Control has absolutely nothing to do with image stabilization. Not even close. It is a digital simulation of a tilt lens and as such quite successful. I find that I use it regularly especially in landscape photography. 

Yes, Perspective Control has nothing to do with image stabilization. However, it is a digital simulation of a shift lens, not of tilt lens. It also automatically levels the image.

[Leicaflex]

vor 23 Minuten schrieb jaapv:

Umm. Perspective Control has absolutely nothing to do with image stabilization. Not even close. It is a digital simulation of a tilt lens and as such quite successful. I find that I use it regularly especially in landscape photography. 

Perspective control monitors the position of the camera through a gyroscope and changes the position of the crop accordingly. Exactly what digital stabilization does. With IBIS the sensor moves not only horizontal and vertical. It tilts and shifts similar to the perspective control.

Good to hear that you like the feature. I wasn‘t that happy with the accuracy.

[jaapv]

34 minutes ago, Leicaflex said:

Perspective control monitors the position of the camera through a gyroscope and changes the position of the crop accordingly. Exactly what digital stabilization does. With IBIS the sensor moves not only horizontal and vertical. It tilts and shifts similar to the perspective control.

Good to hear that you like the feature. I wasn‘t that happy with the accuracy.

There are no stills cameras with digital image stabilization. Video is something quite different. I don’t know of video cameras with perspective control. Srmi is right tilt-shift. I wasn’t thinking straight ( pun intended) 

[Leicaflex]

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vor 20 Minuten schrieb jaapv:

There are no stills cameras with digital image stabilization. Video is something quite different. I don’t know of video cameras with perspective control. Semi is right tilt-shift. I wasn’t thinking straight ( pun intended) 

Acctually Leicas perspective control is a very creative use of digital stabilization for stills. But sure, you can‘t compensate shake of a slow shutter speed stills image with this technology.

I was thinking of video and that the M11 allready has the technology to stabilize moving images. 

The stabilization always changes the perspective. Apps like this show the effect: https://gyroflow.xyz

[algrove]

3 May just about one month away.

[SrMi]

7 hours ago, Leicaflex said:

Perspective control monitors the position of the camera through a gyroscope and changes the position of the crop accordingly. Exactly what digital stabilization does. With IBIS the sensor moves not only horizontal and vertical. It tilts and shifts similar to the perspective control.

Good to hear that you like the feature. I wasn‘t that happy with the accuracy.

The Leica monitoring of camera position is likely done by the same sensors that are used to show the leveling information in all cameras. IBIS does not use those sensors as it does not care about difference to leveled position, which is important for perspective correction.

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2 hours ago, SrMi said:

The Leica monitoring of camera position is likely done by the same sensors that are used to show the leveling information in all cameras. IBIS does not use those sensors as it does not care about difference to leveled position, which is important for perspective correction.

Additionally, the perspective mechanism does not do a dynamic crop. It merely records the perspective metadata which can then either be applied when rendering a jpg in-camera or later in Lightroom. IBIS requires real-time stabilising of the sensor to counteract camera shake so that the RAW file itself is optimised. I can see no link at all between the perspective mechanism and what would be required for IBIS.

[pgk]

11 hours ago, adan said:

This thread is reminding me that the funniest entertainment on the internet (except for videos of dogs trying to chew toffee) is watching non-engineers try to discuss camera engineering. 🤪

I have to admit that the concept of a camera featuring all the bells and whistle associated with the current crop of high end digital cameras (video, IBIS, etc.) but hobbled with manual focus and an M mount is a rather bizarre one to me too. The word conradictory comes to mind. Its a bit like uprating a car with more powerful engine, adding a turbo, uprating suspension, and more, but then insisting that it retains an ancient three speed manual gearbox. Entertaining? Well yes, as is proven by the length of this thread.😆

[jaapv]

17 minutes ago, pgk said:

I have to admit that the concept of a camera featuring all the bells and whistle associated with the current crop of high end digital cameras (video, IBIS, etc.) but hobbled with manual focus and an M mount is a rather bizarre one to me too. The word conradictory comes to mind. Its a bit like uprating a car with more powerful engine, adding a turbo, uprating suspension, and more, but then insisting that it retains an ancient three speed manual gearbox. Entertaining? Well yes, as is proven by the length of this thread.😆

Depends on the torque curve ... 😜

[jaapv]

29 minutes ago, Corius said:

Additionally, the perspective mechanism does not do a dynamic crop. It merely records the perspective metadata which can then either be applied when rendering a jpg in-camera or later in Lightroom. IBIS requires real-time stabilising of the sensor to counteract camera shake so that the RAW file itself is optimised. I can see no link at all between the perspective mechanism and what would be required for IBIS.

But it does display a dynamic frameline. 

[TeleElmar135mm]

vor 12 Stunden schrieb setuporg:

It's rumoured that the colours of the EVF-M will be glamourous.

... a special G-Model M11-M VG?

[TeleElmar135mm]

vor 6 Stunden schrieb algrove:

3 May just about one month away.

May the 4th be with us ...

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10 minutes ago, jaapv said:

But it does display a dynamic frameline. 

It does, but I don't think that's relevant as it is being overlaid on a low resolution jpeg rendering on the display. Also, the response time is largely irrelevant compared to what would be required for IBIS.

Note that you don't need to display the perspective frame. Even if perspective is switched off in-camera you still get the perspective metadata embedded in the RAW file and can apply it in Lightroom later.

[jaapv]

Didn't know that - I thought the Fn favourite switched PC on and off. 

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14 minutes ago, jaapv said:

Didn't know that - I thought the Fn favourite switched PC on and off. 

That displays the perspective frame and applies it to the JPEG, but the perspective metadata is stored with the Raw images irrespective of whether it is ON or OFF.

If you shoot RAW only you can display the frame lines if you want and Lightroom will automatically apply the perspective correction if you have selected "Camera Settings" in the import preferences.

If you don't turn on perspective control when shooting RAW only you can still apply the correction if you go to Lightroom's "Transform" panel and select "Guided" Normally "Guided" allows the user to manually set horizontal and vertical perspective correction lines, but in this case the image's perspective metadata automatically provides the "guidance"

The downside of not turning perspective control on is that you won't know if you've lost the angel at the top of the church spire until you process in Lightroom later, but it's quite handy to have the facility for a lot of photos. Particularly if you mainly use the rangefinder!

 

[jaapv]

I use PC on the SL2S and will try out whether it behaves the same; Should work in ACR as well, I suppose.

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[SrMi]

45 minutes ago, jaapv said:

Didn't know that - I thought the Fn favourite switched PC on and off. 

It switches the default behavior when importing (apply LPC to raw) and modifies JPEG. But the metadata is always embedded and can be always applied in post if using Adobe software.