lct Posted February 21 Share #721 Posted February 21 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, Photon42 said: Didn't Contax tired something like that with their Reflex cameras do maintain compatibility with the manual focus lenses? Not the same register. About 45mm vs 28mm IIRC. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pgk Posted February 21 Share #722 Posted February 21 2 hours ago, 3D-Kraft.com said: The blockage of the (optical) viewfinder would no longer be an issue, since it can be replaced by an EVF also in an AF variant. So why have a viewfinder? The base problem we have is that some people want an M shaped SL body which only takes M lenses. I can understand the M shaped SL body which actually makes a lot of sense in many ways. Its the M lens only bit that doesn't. A cleverly built adapter could fit onto an M shaped SL body almost seamlessly. What doesn't seem usable about an M shaped SL with a really well taylored adapter for M lenses? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted February 21 Share #723 Posted February 21 (edited) Duplicated post - it does this sometimes🙄. Edited February 21 by pgk 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted February 21 Share #724 Posted February 21 12 minutes ago, pgk said: So why have a viewfinder? The base problem we have is that some people want an M shaped SL body which only takes M lenses. I can understand the M shaped SL body which actually makes a lot of sense in many ways. Its the M lens only bit that doesn't. A cleverly built adapter could fit onto an M shaped SL body almost seamlessly. What doesn't seem usable about an M shaped SL with a really well taylored adapter for M lenses? You know what these people do first? They buy a handgrip🤣 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3D-Kraft.com Posted February 21 Share #725 Posted February 21 vor 27 Minuten schrieb pgk: So why have a viewfinder? My description also said, it would not require an (optical) viewfinder anymore, but the Grok AI model still sticked to that tradition in further renderings even after asking it explicitely to remove it from the rendering. Seems to be hardcoded in the model (and also in some heads) that an M needs an optomechanical range-/viewfinder to be an M... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! vor 27 Minuten schrieb pgk: What doesn't seem usable about an M shaped SL with a really well taylored adapter for M lenses? That's also my question (including the AF capability). 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! That's also my question (including the AF capability). ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/419143-evf-m-rumoured/?do=findComment&comment=5761255'>More sharing options...
Ray Vonn Posted February 21 Share #726 Posted February 21 (edited) 3 hours ago, TeleElmar135mm said: The worst cast scenario is getting worse ... not only the price ... hopefully it's a rumor and stays that way https://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/rumored-leica-m12-specs-smaller-and-with-hybrid-viewfinder/ Ah right, so a sort of FF Fuji Xpro camera but smaller. I can just see it now; image stabilisation, the bright coloured light of focus peaking, image stabilisation and spirit level in the EVF to make sure one gets their composition straight. And most importantly an M camera with a bright red Leica badge (not a L/CL/SL camera, I mean it just hasn't got that same status has it). A successful hit with instagrammers/Youtubers/those that can't be arsed with all that challening exposure triangle stuff no doubt. If that rumour's true of course. Edited February 21 by Ray Vonn 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted February 21 Share #727 Posted February 21 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Quote Rumored Leica M12 specs: Smaller and with hybrid viewfinder? OMG no! Don't make it smaller!! The same people who yelled about the M240 being fat will yell about the M12 being too small!! 😳 Edited February 21 by Herr Barnack Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted February 21 Share #728 Posted February 21 Leaving aside technical discussions of what is possible, I think the benefits and challenges of focusing an OVF v EVF based M camera have been done to death in this thread, and many threads previously (at least since the first CMOS based M camera, the M(240)). For anyone with remaining doubts, perhaps re-read this thread and get out and try you digital M with and without the Visoflex. The odd question is - what image this would have on your photography. Or, more generally, what impact has digital technology had on your photography? I bought a motor drive for my FM2 back in the 1980s. I liked the grip, didn’t like the increase in bulk and weight and found I didn’t take more images because my hit rate didn’t improve. My F5 could focus bracket and exposure bracket, but again I never used those functions. Has having even more functional SL & X2D EVF based cameras changed the way I photograph? No, not really. I take different images with them, but that is really more to do with their use. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3D-Kraft.com Posted February 21 Share #729 Posted February 21 vor einer Stunde schrieb Herr Barnack: The same people who yelled about the M240 being fat will yell about the M12 being too small!! 😳 Why? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
costa43 Posted February 21 Author Share #730 Posted February 21 An EVF only M could also open up more conversions of other vintage glass to M mount. Without rangefinder coupling it would be easier to do. Could be interesting. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rxj Posted February 21 Share #731 Posted February 21 I'll miss the window on it for sure. Would have hoped it would be hybrid. Let's see what the Leica Mv brings. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 21 Share #732 Posted February 21 32 minutes ago, costa43 said: An EVF only M could also open up more conversions of other vintage glass to M mount. Without rangefinder coupling it would be easier to do. Could be interesting. With special RF coupling too. The Summicron 50/2 DR can focus from 0.5m to infinity with M11 and Visoflex 2 sans goggles for instance. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 22 Share #733 Posted February 22 6 hours ago, Herr Barnack said: OMG no! Don't make it smaller!! The same people who yelled about the M240 being fat will yell about the M12 being too small!! 😳 But the M240 WAS too fat! Measure it. A full 0.5 mm !!! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted February 22 Share #734 Posted February 22 29 minutes ago, jaapv said: But the M240 WAS too fat! Measure it. A full 0.5 mm !!! Leica specifications say a difference of 3mm. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 22 Share #735 Posted February 22 Correct. They included the thumb wheel which is not present on the M9/8. It caused a storm in a teacup at introduction. Some people still believe in the resulting Internet turmoil However, the body thickness is virtually identical. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 22 Share #736 Posted February 22 Haha fat bottoms cannot lie 🤣 M11 and M240 bottom plate: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 4 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/419143-evf-m-rumoured/?do=findComment&comment=5761556'>More sharing options...
evikne Posted February 22 Share #737 Posted February 22 Rumors also say that the M12 will be 3 mm lower. That would be great! It gives an even nicer shape and more in line with the film M's. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted February 22 Share #738 Posted February 22 2 minutes ago, evikne said: Rumors also say that the M12 will be 3 mm lower. That would be great! It gives an even nicer shape and more in line with the film M's. M12 or EVF-M? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted February 22 Share #739 Posted February 22 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Smogg said: M12 or EVF-M? Leica Rumors says M12. But it could easily be a case of confusion with the EVF-M. Edited February 22 by evikne 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 22 Share #740 Posted February 22 2 hours ago, lct said: Haha fat bottoms cannot lie 🤣 M11 and M240 bottom plate: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I said M9/8. The whole point of the M10/11 is that they have been shrunk to film M size, approximately. So yes they can lie by making the wrong comparison. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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