EVF M rumoured

[Smudgerer]

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45 minutes ago, Smogg said:

Everything is fine with the DSLR except for the weight and size.

True to a degree......There's DSLR's like the Pentax K series that have cut the bulk and weight down very well and have an excellent reputation., I have never used them for real myself but handled them in a store or two and have been tempted to jump on that system.........In the end though stuck with the familiar kits that have served many decades, Nikon and Leica.

[lct]

37 minutes ago, Smogg said:

Everything is fine with the DSLR except for the weight and size.

How about M lenses? I've been dreaming to use them on my SLRs and DSLRs in the past but their register distance is not the same. The novelty has been mirrorless cameras from this viewpoint. Hence the logical idea to consider as such a variant of M camera. Mirrorless cameras having an EVF, the EVF-M, whatever its name, must have an EVF too.

[JNK100]

45 minutes ago, evikne said:

And the sound of slamming mirrors.

I found that very satisfying!

[Smogg]

8 minutes ago, lct said:

How about M lenses? I've been dreaming to use them on my SLRs and DSLRs in the past but their register distance is not the same. The novelty has been mirrorless cameras from this viewpoint. Hence the logical idea to consider as such a variant of M camera. Mirrorless cameras having an EVF, the EVF-M, whatever its name, must have an EVF too.

There are a lot of high-quality lenses these days. The only advantage that Leica M lenses have left is size.

[Smudgerer]

12 minutes ago, JNK100 said:

I found that very satisfying!

And you've not heard anything until you hear the Pentax 67 fire! A beautiful camera  system plus a handy weapon in time of need.........

[FrozenInTime]

6 minutes ago, Smudgerer said:

And you've not heard anything until you hear the Pentax 67 fire! A beautiful camera  system plus a handy weapon in time of need.........

The shutter sound emulation - requires  a large speaker.

[FrozenInTime]

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1 hour ago, pgk said:

The word 'compromise' is the significant one. ALL cameras are compromises and some are better for specific tasks than others. The question which lurks behind this thread is whether an EVF-M is too much of a compromise which, after vast amounts of discussion, still fails to be addressed, although clearly to a few the answer is no. Whether sufficient numbers will buy such a camera will eventually be answered if Leica produce it. I'd like to know Leica's inner thinking on potential sales of such a camera. Perhaps they will compromise further and produce an EVF version of the film CL which would at least satisfy the desire for an M mount, small EVF camera😁. The only downside being that neither the film CL nor the M5 were the success stories Leica hoped they would be. I wonder if history might repeat itself once again?

Reusing the CL name was just asking for history to repeat itself.

With a semi-stacked or stacked sensor a full frame camera with identical dimensions to the CL should be possible.  Was that in their minds  at the conception of the T - the L-mount was after all way oversized for APS-C. However I think they underestimated the desire for IBIS, working C-AF, and video quality, features competitors offered. The CL body and lenses needed a ground up rework to support these.

I think the Nikon ZR is on the right track to a small full frame camera. All the performance features, in a M like outline. It lacks the EVF only through the choice to have a massive LCD. 

[lct]

47 minutes ago, Smogg said:

There are a lot of high-quality lenses these days. The only advantage that Leica M lenses have left is size.

Indeed Leica M lenses like 21/3.4, 28/2.8, 35/2 & 50/2 are still compact and let's not forget the efforts of Cosina. Lenses like Skopar 21/4, Nokton 35/1.4 & Skopar 50/2.2, to name a few, are hard to beat, let alone M lenses coming from China. The M mount is a modern mount from this viewpoint. Glad Leica did not follow the L route thas has little to do with compact manual lenses, although a Leica variant of my Sigma FPL would interest me if it could have a built-in EVF. One thing at a time...

Edited October 20 by lct

[LocalHero1953]

1 hour ago, lct said:

Glad Leica did not follow the L route thas has little to do with compact manual lenses, 

They had little choice. Put a lens the size of a typical L-mount lens on a M body and you won't see much through the viewfinder.

Edited October 20 by LocalHero1953

[evikne]

10 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said:

They had little choice. Put a lens the size of a typical L-mount lens on a M body and you won't see much through the viewfinder.

That wouldn’t be a problem on an EVF M. But it would look weird, and not what an M is originally designed for.

[DreiPunkte]

Everyone's talking and speculating about the small TV in the upcoming camera, but what about IBIS?
Stabilization provides more creativity and quality, especially with high-resolution sensors.

[LocalHero1953]

12 minutes ago, evikne said:

That wouldn’t be a problem on an EVF M. But it would look weird, and not what an M is originally designed for.

Yes, and I don't suppose they will create a new line of (larger) M lenses that can only be used on the M-EV! 

[luigi bertolotti]

14 minutes ago, DreiPunkte said:

Everyone's talking and speculating about the small TV in the upcoming camera, but what about IBIS?
Stabilization provides more creativity and quality, especially with high-resolution sensors.

Agree 100%... IBIS wouls be a REAL improvement, but I think also it is delicate task to match it and a M sized body...🤔(I fear it maybe will be a task for "M12", not for a camera that, apparently, will be positioned behind M11 in terms of cost)

[lct]

38 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said:

They had little choice. Put a lens the size of a typical L-mount lens on a M body and you won't see much through the viewfinder.

They had a choice to make if memory serves. The M mount was not the favorite option at the beginning of the EVF-M adventure, especially on this good forum. Some people favoured the L mount option with an adapter for M lenses. Hard to convince them that the autozoom feature would be impossible then. Their idea was to make a special adapter with a roller cam. Glad to escape such accessory.

Edited October 20 by lct

[Jon Warwick]

11 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said:

Yes, and I don't suppose they will create a new line of (larger) M lenses that can only be used on the M-EV! 

..but some existing lenses from other brands (eg, Voigtlander 35mm APO Lanthar) might be excellent on an M-EV.

The 35 APO Lanthar is fantastic image quality, but its dimension is longer than its closest Leica peer (ie, M 35mm APO Summicron) and hence not as ideal for rangefinder frames.

On an M-EV, maybe the physically extra length of the APO Lanthar becomes less of an issue?

Edited October 20 by Jon Warwick

[lct]

36 minutes ago, Jon Warwick said:

On an M-EV, maybe the physically extra length of the APO Lanthar becomes less of an issue?

I have no experience with this lens but the EVF-M would fit any M lens as long or even longer than a 135/3.4 or 135/4 with no risk of VF blockage since the camera will "see" through the lens.

Edited October 20 by lct

[lct]

40 minutes ago, luigi bertolotti said:

Agree 100%... IBIS wouls be a REAL improvement, but I think also it is delicate task to match it and a M sized body...🤔(I fear it maybe will be a task for "M12", not for a camera that, apparently, will be positioned behind M11 in terms of cost)

It is my fear too but in practice i make do with 1/(2f)s shutter speeds on the M11. I still need to use my M240 for slow shutter speeds though. Not a problem if you intend to keep your M240 (or M10?) but better wait and see how the real EVF-M will be.

[Jon Warwick]

21 minutes ago, lct said:

I have no experience with this lens but the EVF-M would fit any M lens as long or even longer than a 135/3.4 or 135/4 with no risk of VF blockage since the camera will "see" through the lens.

Yes, indeed. An EVF-M will level the playing field for lenses in the sense that none will cut across rangefinder lines (negating that existing difference between a VC 35mm APO Lanthar and its smaller M peer), albeit it wouldn’t surprise me if some people still like the smaller lenses to avoid the camera being front heavy when it’s hanging around one’s neck. 

Edited October 20 by Jon Warwick

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12 hours ago, beewee said:

Latest “leaked” photo looks unconvincing. Someone forgot to photoshop out the smaller rangefinder window.

https://leicarumors.com/2025/10/19/is-this-the-first-leaked-picture-of-the-rumored-leica-m-ev1-camera.aspx/

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They were really late to the party with this leak

At least this week with the release a lot of discussion will ease.

People questioned the Q when it came out and it's one of their most popular series.

I feel like traditional M shooters are just feeling uneasy that the "perfect" and traditional M is being disrupted.

Remember the discussion when the baseplate was removed in the M11. Huge uproar.

Leica will still sell and the nice thing is people still have a choice of what they want to use to shoot.

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1 hour ago, DreiPunkte said:

Everyone's talking and speculating about the small TV in the upcoming camera, but what about IBIS?
Stabilization provides more creativity and quality, especially with high-resolution sensors.

More than 3 points, I have never had an IBIS camera like the new Hasselblad X2Dii with excellent IBIS that finally allows me to nearly forget slow shutter speeds when shooting at close to native ISO.