EVF M rumoured

[lct]

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1 minute ago, jaapv said:

Endure? What bollocks. It simply changes the mount. Put it on and forget as you have an M mount camera. 

Bollocks? Explain how you do autozoom with the L mount. Have fun with M and LTM WA and UWA lenses, especially legacy ones, on it too. Been there done that (digital CL, Sigma).

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[jaapv]

That is a good argument against automatic focus peaking in general. In that situation a mini focus correction would trigged undesired mechanical magnification as well Something I dislike on AF cameras too. Focus AF in halfpress, just touch the focus ring accidentally and magnification kicks in. 

[jaapv]

12 minutes ago, lct said:

Bollocks? Explain how you do autozoom with the L mount. Have fun with M and LTM WA and UWA lenses, especially legacy ones, on it too. Been there done that (digital CL, Sigma).

Now that is the optimized sensor I mentioned in my post, which would be essential for such an dualmount camera.  You have fun with your Kolari Sony as you told us often enough. Is that one without adapter? I think not. 
And I explained auto zoom in my previous posts. 
I just hope for Leica that the postulated restricted functionality won’t kill the camera off commercially. The customer pool must be quite small. A dual mount would have added quite a few customers who wish for a compact ff L mount camera 

[lct]

9 minutes ago, mujk said:

Yes, but focus peaking is based only on the change in contrast. Now consider the case where the focus is set to a specific distance and the photographer waits for the subject to move into focus (peaking coming on). The subject or camera is moving, not the focusing ring, but focus peaking is coming on when focus is achieved. At that moment it may not be desirable for focus magnification to turn on by itself. In fact, the photographer would probably want focus magnification to turn on before peaking occurs.

Different experience here. With autozoom and focus peaking you can see the moving subject entering and leaving the peaking area. Been doing this for 10+ years with M lenses on mirrorless cameras.

[jaapv]

Non-M mirrorless? Explain how the auto zoom was triggered. Only M cameras have mechanical focus sensing. I’m sure you triggered the magnification manually. 
Come to think of it, it could be resolved by auto magnification + halfpress locks focus peaking. 

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5 minutes ago, jaapv said:

You have fun with your Kolari Sony as you told us often enough. Is that one without adapter? I think not. 
And I explained auto zoom in my previous posts. 

Then you know that there is no autozoom on the Sony. A camera i liked much indeed and i don't use much anymore for this reason and its inferior IQ compared to the M11. I just miss slow shutter speeds i can use comfortably with the Sony and its Techart AF adapter occasionally.

[jaapv]

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So why should you claim that an EVF M should be a no-go without?  

[lct]

5 minutes ago, jaapv said:

Non-M mirrorless? Explain how the auto zoom was triggered. Only M cameras have mechanical focus sensing. 

No mirrorless camera has autozoom capabilities with M and LTM lenses AFAIK. A superiority of the M11, and the M11-V thanks to its M mount hopefully. 

[charlesphoto99]

34 minutes ago, mujk said:

Yes, but focus peaking is based only on the change in contrast. Now consider the case where the focus is set to a specific distance and the photographer waits for the subject to move into focus (peaking coming on). The subject or camera is moving, not the focusing ring, but focus peaking is coming on when focus is achieved. At that moment it may not be desirable for focus magnification to turn on by itself. In fact, the photographer would probably want focus magnification to turn on before peaking occurs.

Solution: stick with a rangefinder.

[charlesphoto99]

17 hours ago, BWColor said:

No, coming out with a new line of Leica lenses is no small effort and I would expect a pretty hefty increase in prices.  Why would that be sarcasm?

BTW.. planning a 5000 miles road trip and will visit Leica in your area..  My friend bought an M11 Monochrom a year ago and hasn’t taken the camera outside of his flat, so he is flying to Texas and we are doing a road trip to the Portland area and a side trip to Seattle/Bellvue Leica… Which was the last place that his M11M got some fresh air.

Sarcasm: using an M at f16 (A) and infinity focus (A) is a ridiculous concept. That was the joke.

Have fun. That's quite a drive. Grand Canyon on the way I would suspect? I bought my 'used' M10 from a guy on Mercer Island (near Bellevue). It had literally never been taken out of the box - meeting up at the local Starbucks for the sale, I had to peel the safety sticker off the battery to check it out. Some people have more money than sense (but saved me over $2k). 

[jaapv]

43 minutes ago, lct said:

No mirrorless camera has autozoom capabilities with M and LTM lenses AFAIK. A superiority of the M11, and the M11-V thanks to its M mount hopefully. 

So how were you using it as you claim?

 

58 minutes ago, lct said:

Been doing this for 10+ years with M lenses on mirrorless cameras.

 

[lct]

Bit tired to repeat things we've been discussing for years. All rumors seem to agree that the EVF M, whatever its name, will have an M mount AFAIK. Problem solved for good hopefully.

[luigi bertolotti]

On 9/27/2025 at 5:31 PM, lct said:

I'd bet a Camembert against a Mascarpone that the M11-V won't have IBIS or a hybrid VF, but EIS and a Q3 EVF. IBIS and/or hybrid would be for the more expensive M12 but my cristal ball is not clear enough about that. You like cheese hopefully

 

You bet !! (Sorry for late answer); but I like too much Camembert (a REAL one) to risk on a chance based on what I'd whish  (IBIS); by the other way, in a hidden valley next to me they make in low volume a cheese (Bagoss) which imho has no equal (if you like "hard" cheese) so happy to bet, in case 😎

[jaapv]

5 hours ago, lct said:

Bit tired to repeat things we've been discussing for years. All rumors seem to agree that the EVF M, whatever its name, will have an M mount AFAIK. Problem solved for good hopefully.

I bet you a Dutch Old Rotterdam to a Camembert that it will be a one-off. The interest outside a small group of M users will be minimal. A niche within a niche. 

[lct]

18 minutes ago, jaapv said:

I bet you a Dutch Old Rotterdam to a Camembert that it will be a one-off. The interest outside a small group of M users will be minimal. A niche within a niche. 

No idea what a Old Rotterdam is but i'll enjoy myself in my niche with a Camembert and a M11-V while thinking of you

[algrove]

Not to come in so late, but I read that the Sony A7CR 60MP with Kolari thin glass and the Techart AF M adapter will AF M lenses. Many use it that way I understand and very much like the results.

[lct]

5 minutes ago, algrove said:

Not to come in so late, but I read that the Sony A7CR 60MP with Kolari thin glass and the Techart AF M adapter will AF M lenses. Many use it that way I understand and very much like the results.

I use the Techart adapter randomly with my Kolari mod a7r2. Needs some practice but works well when i prefocus manually and let the Techart nail the focus automatically. Only issue of the Kolari mod is color rendition, at least for newbies. As far as my gear is concerned, the Kolari mod introduces a magenta cast that must be corrected in post. Just for info.

[jaapv]

7 hours ago, lct said:

No idea what a Old Rotterdam is but i'll enjoy myself in my niche with a Camembert and a M11-V while thinking of you

I prefer Brie.  Camembert tastes a bit bucolic. 

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[Smudgerer]

Now this never ending idiotic thread on nothing but Leica smoke signals descends into cheese preferences.......I can't wait for Leica to announce something on the damn EVF M or whatever it'll be called then we can go about the normal topic as to what's disappointing about the new camera and why we'd never buy it anyway as per normal.........and for the record Normandy Livarot Camembert is to die for, so there.

[luigi bertolotti]

12 minutes ago, Smudgerer said:

...nothing but Leica smoke signals descends into cheese preferences......

To paraphrase Kypling about smoke... "a Leica is only a Leica , but a good cheese is dinner"