EVF M rumoured

[NigelG]

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2 hours ago, Olaf_ZG said:

Leica will sell stickers with the windows on it…

Remember not all Leica EVFs have a “non-window” front….

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[pgk]

8 minutes ago, RF’sDelight said:

I’m still hoping for a unique feature that none of us has thought of yet (in a serious manner).

Built in flash?

[Olaf_ZG]

When this thread started, I had zero interest in a m-evf. I tried the m lenses on the SL but I didn’t saw a real advantage vs the SL lenses. Sold off the adapter.

Having a Q, I do like the evf experience though. So, slowly I am thinking a m-evf might be a nice addition to a Q.

I do like the experience of an evf, to see what I get, which is always a guess with a normal m.

[SrMi]

I believe that there are Leica customers who want M camera haptic and handling, but with an EVF. Since the customer is always right .... ;-).

[LocalHero1953]

I have no doubt this camera will sell well, partly to existing owners who want it for eyesight reasons, but mainly to newbies who want the the legacy and stardust of a full fat Leica but without the risk of a focusing system they are nervous about. And down the road Leica will happily sell those same customers a M11 or M12 once they are used to the M system.

After all, if someone as serious and pragmatic as @jaapv dislikes the supposed new look, there will be millions who will choose it because it looks and feels like a camera a war correspondent might wear. It's not just Leica owners who are shallow enough to pick a camera on looks alone.

[UliWer]

Before the M-Monochrom or even the Q were introduced one might have asked the experienced Leica users. The answers would have been: No color, what's the point? If I want black and white I can do this in the software. A fullframe EVF camera with just one lens? I get much more when I get the traditional combination of body and lens. I am sure many people at Leica Camera AG thought the same.

Sometimes we are surprised.

After all I don't call myself a potential customer for any EVF camera: with wider angles and using large openings only reluctantly I think the optical viewfinder is quicker and simpler for me. For some cases with long focal lengthes the electronic Visoflex will do, or even better the display when the camera is on a tripod.  

Though sometimes we surprise ourselves. 

 

[jaapv]

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Well yes, I had it completely wrong with the Monochrom and history may well repeat itself. OTOH, the Monochrom has a unique rendering which sets it apart and this camera will have nothing to set differentiate from other M cameras image wise. I don’t really believe in the hipster market. If you have to buy into Leica M for let’s call them cultural reasons, the ability to produce a critically sharp image is pretty irrelevant. RF or EVF, most will be zone misfocussing anyway. No, this camera will be for those who are and wish to remain in the M system and have a reason to have to switch to an EVF. 
 

The uninitiated will compare to Sony and dismiss for lack of AF, lack of buttons, lack of automation, price,  etc. 
But I sincerely hope to be proven wrong. 

[NigelG]

49 minutes ago, jaapv said:

The uninitiated will compare to Sony and dismiss for lack of AF, lack of buttons, lack of automation, price,  etc. 

IMHO most non-existing-M-owner purchasers will probably compare it to the heritage-marketed M RF and will see it as a version of a “cool” + “iconic” luxury item that they can now buy and then possibly even actually use to take photos 😉

[DadDadDaddyo]

Hmm. I think the Monochrom and the Q were quite different propositions. I can clearly recall my reactions at the time.  

The first time I heard of the Monochrom, my very first thought was not, 'It's unnecessary: I can just convert color to black and white...',

No, my very first thought was, "Oh man, I wish I could afford that!"

See, many of us who are "old dyed in the wool Leica types" made our earliest, most significant photographic moves on black and white film. 

I probably shot 15 or 20 rolls of black and white for each roll of color. Color wasn't yet something it was convenient to deal with in a darkroom. It was possible, just not convenient. So our aesthetics, our 'seeing,' grew up in a monochrome environment. The Monochrom called out to me as a direct return to my roots. I understood it immediately. I wanted one immediately. It resonated with me, way deep down.

The Q, from the start, seemed to me to be a gateway proposal designed to offer photographers who had grown up with digital cameras a comfortable path into the Leica world. I was already there. I didn't need such a path. It didn't resonate with me, but I knew it would resonate with many.  

Look, Leica can make, no, will make, just exactly as many camera models as they want to and decide to make. None of them takes the place of the others. They're distinct. 

And if each model reaches a slightly different part of the Venn diagram of potential Leica users, then hurrah! All the better!

May Leica and its fortunate users continue to prosper, long, and in good health. 

Edited Thursday at 11:29 PM by DadDadDaddyo

[IkarusJohn]

I thought the Monochrom was really dumb when it was released; then @jonoslack sent me his raw files from his China trip, and I couldn’t get my order in fast enough!

I also thought the Zeiss ZX1 was a neat idea and I still like the idea of the Sony RX-1.  I’m long on cameras at the moment, but one could be in my future.  For some reason, the Q doesn’t appeal in the same way.  Perhaps I should try one, one day.

With the M11-V, or whatever breaks ground (an M-V actually sounds more interesting, dissociated from the M11 series, but we’ll see) I have no doubt that M users with a selection of M lenses will look seriously at it.  For new buyers, I can’t help but picture a young(ish) person walking into a Leica store.  They’re too young to have had an SLR, used film and have only vaguely heard of a rangefinder.  Their experience so far is Sonys with EVFs.

They’ve heard of Leica, and their interest is piqued by recent press over a new camera.  They start talking to the salesperson, pick up an M11 and say manual lenses?  Rangefinder? That’s weird!  Then the salesperson shows them the Visoflex, and the customer says, nah, that’s too weird.  Then the salesperson shows them the M-V; a familiar environment through the viewfinder with all the information they’re used to (hopefully selectable); and from there it’s just a question of finding the credit card and which lens and bag (with @Rick’s help).

Leica has a reputation - they just need to use it.

[SrMi]

9 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said:

After all, if someone as serious and pragmatic as @jaapv dislikes the supposed new look, there will be millions who will choose it because it looks and feels like a camera a war correspondent might wear. It's not just Leica owners who are shallow enough to pick a camera on looks alone.

As a reminder, and as you mentioned (supposed new look), we do not yet know what it will look like.

[Stef63]

What makes me most excited about the upcoming M EVF (most likely just an M11 with the RF removed and a Visoflex built in) isn’t the camera itself — it’s the thread that will follow on this forum. 

Why? Because in these 140 pages, so many people have already sworn they would never buy such a camera. It will be not for them, they say. And yet… in just a few weeks, we’ll see the new thread filled with their utterly disappointed reactions, dissecting every detail, predicting doom, and insisting Leica has lost its way.

Honestly, I’m looking forward to that spectacle almost as much as the camera. Ha!

[costa43]

19 minutes ago, Stef63 said:

 

What makes me most excited about the upcoming M EVF (most likely just an M11 with the RF removed and a Visoflex built in) isn’t the camera itself — it’s the thread that will follow on this forum. 

Why? Because in these 140 pages, so many people have already sworn they would never buy such a camera. It will be not for them, they say. And yet… in just a few weeks, we’ll see the new thread filled with their utterly disappointed reactions, dissecting every detail, predicting doom, and insisting Leica has lost its way.

Honestly, I’m looking forward to that spectacle almost as much as the camera. Ha!

So true! And you will see people who vowed not to buy it, buying it!

Edited Friday at 07:06 AM by costa43

[grahamc]

19 minutes ago, costa43 said:

So true! And you will see people who vowed not to buy it, buying it!

I will never buy it ! 

(comment may not age well) 

[evikne]

I can't promise that I will never buy it. I don't yet know what it will be and what it could become after some development. It's still only the first version, which will certainly evolve in the future. 

If the name M EV1 is correct, it suggests that it will develop independently of the regular M lines, perhaps at a faster pace.

[LocalHero1953]

2 hours ago, SrMi said:

As a reminder, and as you mentioned (supposed new look), we do not yet know what it will look like.

Since when has that stopped anyone expressing their dislike?

[pgk]

3 hours ago, IkarusJohn said:

They’ve heard of Leica, and their interest is piqued by recent press over a new camera.  They start talking to the salesperson, pick up an M11 and say manual lenses?  Rangefinder? That’s weird!  Then the salesperson shows them the Visoflex, and the customer says, nah, that’s too weird.  Then the salesperson shows them the M-V; a familiar environment through the viewfinder with all the information they’re used to ....

And then they press the shutter button and discover that there is no autofocus, a feature found on every other, even the cheapest, EVF camera. From then on its a quirky, hard sell, reputation or otherwise.

[erl]

58 minutes ago, pgk said:

And then they press the shutter button and discover that there is no autofocus, a feature found on every other, even the cheapest, EVF camera. From then on its a quirky, hard sell, reputation or otherwise.

That could almost convince me to buy  . . . . no no no - get thee behind me satan!

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[pgk]

10 minutes ago, erl said:

That could almost convince me to buy  . . . . no no no - get thee behind me satan!

I've always wondered wny Nikon haven't produced a digital FM. But I think their designers would struggle with the lack of buttons and, just perhaps, they figure it wouldn't sell very well.....

[jaapv]

Zeiss publicly admitted that they were unable to at a competing price - maybe the same argument went for Nikon.