lct Posted April 23 Share #1521 Posted April 23 Advertisement (gone after registration) 6 minutes ago, SrMi said: If you move the focus ring in a particular range and the sharpness stays equal, then you cannot focus correctly [...] Never happened to me with focus magnification + focus peaking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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adan Posted April 23 Share #1522 Posted April 23 6 minutes ago, lct said: Never happened to me with focus magnification + focus peaking. Focus magnification? So, just to check, the ideal way to use a compact, fast Leica M is sort of like this? https://petapixel.com/2016/09/06/large-format-camera-made-garage-scraps-dslr/ Oh dear! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted April 23 Share #1523 Posted April 23 (edited) Who said ideal? I use both RF and EVF but truth is focus magnification can be very easy with the latter. Edited April 23 by lct Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biotar Posted April 23 Share #1524 Posted April 23 vor 32 Minuten schrieb lct: I take it that you don't use focus magnification. Yes, I avoid the focus magnifier, as it slows me down when tracking objects with continuous shooting. Here I am only accurate and fast enough with open aperture metering (as has always been the case with the SLR). On the EVF, it just doesn't work with M lenses by default. I only use the magnifying glass for macros and static subjects. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biotar Posted April 23 Share #1525 Posted April 23 RF focusing with the M is like open aperture focusing with the SLR / DSLM - you always focus at the smallest plane, even if the lenses are stopped down. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted April 23 Share #1526 Posted April 23 14 minutes ago, lct said: Who said ideal? I use both RF and EVF but truth is focus magnification can be very easy with the latter. I guess you don't photograph moving people or other objects. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
costa43 Posted April 23 Author Share #1527 Posted April 23 Advertisement (gone after registration) The rangefinder is the M. Once it goes it’s just a mirrorless camera with an M mount. 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted April 23 Share #1528 Posted April 23 31 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said: I guess you don't photograph moving people or other objects. Mostly my family. M11, Summicron 35/2 v1, f/2.8, Visoflex 2. Blurred for privacy sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted April 23 Share #1529 Posted April 23 16 minutes ago, costa43 said: The rangefinder is the M. Once it goes it’s just a mirrorless camera with an M mount. With a unique common point: M lenses. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted April 23 Share #1530 Posted April 23 7 hours ago, Biotar said: An M lens at f/5.6 can be focused more accurately with the rangefinder than with an EVF. Why is this great advantage of the RF always ignored here? Let everyone try it with an SL3 - an M lens on the EVF is no fun in the long-term, because the constant stopping down and up and then with focus magnifier is just annoying and is no longer M. This topic has been discussed extensively at least since Leica switched from the CCD to the CMOS based sensor with the M(240) in many threads. You don’t need to mount an M lens on an SL to see the benefits and disadvantages of an M with an EVF - just use a Visoflex. To save you the time of actually reading the considered views of those who have, the EVF provides accurate framing, deals with focus shift, makes focusing long and fast lenses more accurate, allows for close ups (either using the M macro adapter or Leica’s latest lenses with closer focusing), provides actual exposure information when using filters, allows for the use of R lenses (zooms and longer focal lengths) and magnification outside the central patch for critical images. The EVF is very useful. Conversely, my experience has been that focus peaking really doesn’t work, and accurately focsuing wides and at smaller apertures has challenges. Having used M lenses on my TL2, SL and my M10-D with the EVF, I can say with experience that, for me, there are benefits using the rangefinder (faster, but with the flaw that the subject tends to always be in the middle because of the focus patch) and the EVF (more accurate for specific purposes), so I carry the EVF in my bag. I never focus wide open then stop down when using the EVF as I like exposure simulation. I have come to the conclusion that sticking with the M10-D, and carrying the EVF, suits my purposes best. But that’s just me. An EVF based M is still an interesting proposition. The MEVF, if it happens, will have its attractions, no doubt. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 23 Share #1531 Posted April 23 The discussion seems to be polarised around either rangefinder or EVF, but might there be a combined solution where the RF has an EVF overlay, much in the same way as DSLRs showed in-focus areas? Could the RF patch be augmented by a focus-peaking type overlay for example? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen.s1 Posted April 23 Share #1532 Posted April 23 Interesting thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted April 23 Share #1533 Posted April 23 50 minutes ago, lct said: Mostly my family. M11, Summicron 35/2 v1, f/2.8, Visoflex 2. Blurred for privacy sorry. She is quite recognisable! I'm sorry, but I'd have to see quite a few more action shots to be convinced that magnify-focus-compose-shoot is a good way of focusing this type of subject. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
costa43 Posted April 23 Author Share #1534 Posted April 23 49 minutes ago, lct said: With a unique common point: M lenses. I agree it should exist as I am pro choice always, as long as it is not at the expense of the rangefinder moving forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
costa43 Posted April 23 Author Share #1535 Posted April 23 (edited) 5 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said: She is quite recognisable! I'm sorry, but I'd have to see quite a few more action shots to be convinced that magnify-focus-compose-shoot is a good way of focusing this type of subject. I find it impossible. As soon as you magnify you lose sight of your scene and you are shooting the shot blind. Spray and pray if it’s an action shot. There are much better cameras for action. I find that using the rangefinder stopped down and focusing loosely on the subject gets me more keepers. The depth of field at f8 takes care of slightly missed focus. Edited April 23 by costa43 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted April 23 Share #1536 Posted April 23 8 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said: She is quite recognisable! I'm sorry, but I'd have to see quite a few more action shots to be convinced that magnify-focus-compose-shoot is a good way of focusing this type of subject. Do you prefer this one? Sigma FPL, Elmar-M 50/2.8, f/2.8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted April 23 Share #1537 Posted April 23 12 minutes ago, lct said: Do you prefer this one? Sigma FPL, Elmar-M 50/2.8, f/2.8. Same comment! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post charlesphoto99 Posted April 23 Popular Post Share #1538 Posted April 23 This idea that EVF focusing with magnification is faster than a rangefinder is patently ridiculous. Or that one can't photograph action with a rangefinder. I would have totally missed shots (and/or compositions) like these if using an EVF/mag setup. Leica M10, 28 and 135 lenses (last one M9 with 50 Lux pre-asph). The best thing one can do is learn how to follow focus with the rangefinder. And just take the shot and not worry so much about obtaining the 'perfect' focus. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 18 4 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/419143-evf-m-rumoured/?do=findComment&comment=5791279'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 24 Share #1539 Posted April 24 Sure - shots like these are completely impossible using an RF. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 8 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/419143-evf-m-rumoured/?do=findComment&comment=5791429'>More sharing options...
Tseg Posted April 24 Share #1540 Posted April 24 Great news, there will be no price hike on the M11-V. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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