costa43 Posted March 23 Author Share #901 Posted March 23 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) I do not think that the picture posted in the article is of the actual camera. I think it’s just a rendering of what it could look like based on someone’s opinion. My guess would be that ithe camera will only come in black and the current window will be there but be blacked out, like a car tinted one so It retains the design. Edited March 23 by costa43 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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raizans Posted March 23 Share #902 Posted March 23 I bet it’ll have a “shallow” top plate like the Q. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
costa43 Posted March 23 Author Share #903 Posted March 23 I think the top plate will be just the same as the M11-D. It will literally be an M11 with an EVF in there instead of a rangefinder. Viewfinder glass could be darker and there may be a different back screen design. I don’t think Leica will risk too much first time around. They will just give people an M they identify with but with a built in EVF, no crazy R&D and intricate designs. My curiosity lies with whether or not there will be something new in how focus confirmation works or if we will just get a standard experience like what we have on the SL cameras. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted March 23 Share #904 Posted March 23 (edited) 3 hours ago, adan said: Umm - what? The posted "leaked" M11-V picture is of the back of the camera. And the viewfinder eyepiece (top-left on the back) is pretty much exactly where it is on every other M since 1954 (except, since lct will correct me if I leave them out, the "blind" MD/MDa/MD-2 "technical" M cameras for use on telescopes, microscopes, etc. 🤪 ). Maybe I used the wrong word (as so often before), but I just meant that @LocalHero1953's suggestion of an extra, optical viewfinder is only possible if the digital eyepiece is not directly on the opposite side. Edited March 23 by evikne Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted March 23 Share #905 Posted March 23 2 hours ago, costa43 said: My guess would be that the camera will only come in black and the current window will be there but be blacked out, like a car tinted one so It retains the design. That would be the best solution, I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
odoomi Posted March 23 Share #906 Posted March 23 From my point of view Leica will never do a M camera with an EVF. Rather they would do a Q camera with a M lens mount - only that way it would make sense… Best, Andreas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudgerer Posted March 23 Share #907 Posted March 23 Advertisement (gone after registration) Nobody has mentioned whether the rumoured EVF M will have an adjustable diopter for it's viewfinder.............If not that would be a PITA to have to still deal with the screw-one ones. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
costa43 Posted March 23 Author Share #908 Posted March 23 (edited) 10 minutes ago, evikne said: That would be the best solution, I think. I think so too, I can’t think of a viable function that is not a gimmick. If they don’t keep the window it will look weird. If this was a different line then the scope to make changes would be greater but if they are calling it an M11, it will surely look like one. Edited March 23 by costa43 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted March 23 Share #909 Posted March 23 3 minutes ago, costa43 said: I think so too, I can’t think of a viable function that is not a gimmick. If they don’t keep the window it will look weird. If this was a different line then the scope to make changes would be greater but if they are calling it an M11, it will surely look like one. There are many examples of different versions of a product retaining the same design to save costs (and in some cases aesthetics), even though they don't have all the functions. For example, we have a cheap version of a toilet with two buttons for flushing, but only one works. 😄 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
costa43 Posted March 23 Author Share #910 Posted March 23 1 minute ago, evikne said: There are many examples of different versions of a product retaining the same design to save costs (and in some cases aesthetics), even though they don't have all the functions. For example, we have a cheap version of a toilet with two buttons for flushing, but only one works. 😄 Valid point but I think that’s the first time I’ve ever seen anybody compare a Leica M with a toilet. Well done for pulling it off. 🤣 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 23 Share #911 Posted March 23 16 minutes ago, Smudgerer said: Nobody has mentioned whether the rumoured EVF M will have an adjustable diopter for it's viewfinder.............If not that would be a PITA to have to still deal with the screw-one ones. For me, the existing M design, but with an adjustable diopter, would be much more appealing than an EVF only M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
costa43 Posted March 23 Author Share #912 Posted March 23 22 minutes ago, Smudgerer said: Nobody has mentioned whether the rumoured EVF M will have an adjustable diopter for it's viewfinder.............If not that would be a PITA to have to still deal with the screw-one ones. Surely they won’t omit a diopter, it would be a huge mistake, they must have one eye ( no pun intended) on the aging user base with this camera. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
costa43 Posted March 23 Author Share #913 Posted March 23 I also wonder if they will have the framelines mechanically selectable or if they will be digital via a menu now. The assumption is that for an M experience, they will still exist in some form. I can see the price/demand of non classical focal lengths going up if this camera is a success. The 40mm Summicron comes to mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Blanko Posted March 23 Share #914 Posted March 23 (edited) Instead of omitting the viewfinder windows at the front they could provide one or two small cameras (like in a smartphone) in order to provide the analog M viewfinder experience that you see a larger area than the actual frame. (+ software to merge the different images and to show an accurate frame line.) Edited March 23 by Robert Blanko Typo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiggiGun Posted March 23 Share #915 Posted March 23 This is the French counterpart https://pixii.fr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted March 23 Share #916 Posted March 23 29 minutes ago, costa43 said: I also wonder if they will have the framelines mechanically selectable or if they will be digital via a menu now. The assumption is that for an M experience, they will still exist in some form. I can see the price/demand of non classical focal lengths going up if this camera is a success. The 40mm Summicron comes to mind. Since the EVF will be liveview i.e. what the sensor sees, it will automatically show the image created by the lens in use. There would be no framelines to mimic the OVF, nor an easy way to mimic the view from an alternative lens. I guess they could make liveview magnified to show a longer lens view, but it would be impossible to show a wider angle view. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted March 23 Share #917 Posted March 23 17 minutes ago, Robert Blanko said: Instead of omitting the viewfinder windows at the front they could provide one or two small cameras (like in a smartphone) in order to provide the analog M viewfinder experience that you see a larger area than the actual frame. (+ software to merge the different images and to show an accurate frame line.) It's a good idea, but it would require some serious software engineering to implement. I'm not sure Leica's software department is up to the task. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 23 Share #918 Posted March 23 A window? What for? The EVF-M is not supposed to be another Jurassic camera. The digital CL had no window either and looked like a Barnack sort of. The EVF-M (M11-V?), if any, will have more success hopefully. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
costa43 Posted March 23 Author Share #919 Posted March 23 1 hour ago, LocalHero1953 said: Since the EVF will be liveview i.e. what the sensor sees, it will automatically show the image created by the lens in use. There would be no framelines to mimic the OVF, nor an easy way to mimic the view from an alternative lens. I guess they could make liveview magnified to show a longer lens view, but it would be impossible to show a wider angle view. Of course 🤦♂️. I need coffee. The more I read, the more I think it will be a standard EVF experience but built in. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan1985 Posted March 23 Share #920 Posted March 23 Leica, as always, will presumably bring something quite different to the market contrary to all predictions. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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