Smudgerer Posted February 10 Share #161 Posted February 10 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) That remark, a joke or not, if I had made such as a kid would have blessed me with a clip around the head from my dad, those were the days............ Edited February 10 by Smudgerer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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phojomatic Posted February 10 Share #162 Posted February 10 21 minutes ago, costa43 said: To be honest I do not enjoy the experience of manual focus with an EVF when it comes to people in a picture that much. I tend to see a scene and then spend time focusing more on peaking or zooming on what is sharp rather than my subject in the moment and then I lose that moment. I also find that the peaking and the exposure comp darkening the screen muddies my view somewhat and makes it hard for me to see what I am shooting. The rangefinder is a dream for manual focus, clear window with almost everything in focus besides the patch. Nighttime, daytime there is no difference, bright days no difference. That being said, if this EVF M materialises then I'd like to see some focus assist for the eyes of a human if possible like Nikon. As there are no electrical contacts on M lenses this may not be so easy to implement though. Otherwise, happy with current approach, the EVF needs to be as good as is available on the market. On the plus side with an EVF is the close focus capability and the ease of nailing focus on slow/non moving subjects wide open. I agree with your comment about MF experience with an EVF. I recently tried out a SL3-S with M glass (the new CF 28/50). I used the whole screen without focus peaking bc I find watching for red lines is distracting for my photography (aside from say, still loves or critical focus portraits). My hit rate was 80-85%. I was very surprised that what I thought was tack sharp in the EVF was slightly out of focus. For comparison, my hit rate on M’s is maybe 90-95%…after 25 years of use. The above combo was certainly enjoyable, lighter than SL glass and I’m sure with some time, I could get used to it. But it wasn’t the magic setup I imagined…partly bc I feel lack of lens data really hinders the capabilities of the SL…although I will say it was extremely easy to shoot in M with the new iso dial. my last point is that after shooting 8+ years professionally with evfs, the greatest advantage for me is knowing I have correct exposure, to the point I can’t remember the last time I chimped. It’s maybe a little too perfect? Yesterday I processed ten rolls shot on my M6 reissue and exposures are just all spot on. My point is that to me, the EVF has become an unnecessary exposure crutch and I should trust myself more and enjoy seeing my subject 1:1 with EVF or reflex mirror, bc obviously I know how to expose correctly. Thats the beauty of the M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted February 10 Share #163 Posted February 10 (edited) 1 hour ago, Smudgerer said: Almost rude...........Why did you post this? Because I am a black sheep in the family: the only engineer in a family of dentists :). P.S.: That one was also a joke. Edited February 10 by SrMi 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted February 10 Share #164 Posted February 10 1 hour ago, Smudgerer said: That remark, a joke or not, if I had made such as a kid would have blessed me with a clip around the head from my dad, those were the days............ I certainly do not consider them as the "good old days." 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralf Posted February 10 Share #165 Posted February 10 Am 9.2.2025 um 17:07 schrieb pgk: Not really. The original beetly doesn't have the performance of a modern one. The last few Ms can still produce, and do produce, great images. He wasn't talking about performance at all, may be read the post again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 10 Share #166 Posted February 10 19 minutes ago, SrMi said: Because I am a black sheep in the family: the only engineer in a family of dentists :). P.S.: That one was also a joke. I think I've got this all wrong I've been buying Leicas, Rolexes and Porsches, but I'm still not a dentist! I didn't realise it works the other way around. It's cost me a fortune and I'm still a lousy engineer too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudgerer Posted February 10 Share #167 Posted February 10 Advertisement (gone after registration) 26 minutes ago, SrMi said: I certainly do not consider them as the "good old days." You had to be there, you obviously were not...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
raizans Posted February 10 Share #168 Posted February 10 What form factor do you think the EVF-M will have? What do you think it should have? Rangefinder-style or SLR-style? Or Hasselblad X-style? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 10 Share #169 Posted February 10 Something like that? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 4 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/419143-evf-m-rumoured/?do=findComment&comment=5755244'>More sharing options...
davidmknoble Posted February 10 Share #170 Posted February 10 Just thinking out loud. Why don't we just have Leica make an M-AI and let the camera do the focusing for us? Then we could just strip off the top of the camera and it would be smaller and lighter? 🤣 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 10 Share #171 Posted February 10 2 hours ago, pgk said: Indeed. My oldest dates from the late 19th century and is still perfectly capable. The concept that any camera is out of date is an odd one. I prefer magnification with focus peaking activated. The Panasonic implementation is quite goos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 10 Share #172 Posted February 10 2 hours ago, Steve Ash said: Until you made an issue out of it it was just a joke by pointing to stereotypes. BTW, Jaap is a moderator and has the power to edit if he feels insulted. Which he does not... I take remarks in the spirit in which they are intended. BTW moderators will never moderate an issue if they themselves are involved - they will always ask a colleague to do so. 5 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3D-Kraft.com Posted February 10 Share #173 Posted February 10 (edited) vor 20 Stunden schrieb Lee S: Mounting a lens on my Sony A7III I find manual focus harder especially in dynamic situations. Viewfinder is not sharp enough to get critical focus at 1 x magnification so you zoom in and end up searching for the subject. Appreciate EVF on my Sony is low res, are high res ones that much better aiding focusing at 1 x? The A7III EVF is outdated. In today's models they are resolving much better. But I agree - pressing a button to switch through magnification steps and moving the magnifier with a joystick while loosing the context is not really a good experience. Today there would be options for much improved concepts like shown on the rumors sites: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! E.g. it can use eye-detection and automatically magnify the area of interest, when shooting portraits or animals. This also means, that you are not forced to focus in the center and recompose (which is a typical cause for blur due to field curvature of the lens when shooting wide open). I can imagine, what the M purist think about this, but those can stick with M9 and M10-D... vor 3 Stunden schrieb pgk: Indeed. My oldest dates from the late 19th century and is still perfectly capable. The concept that any camera is out of date is an odd one. Sure - when your domain are landscapes in bright daylight with the camera on a tripod... Edited February 10 by 3D-Kraft.com 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! E.g. it can use eye-detection and automatically magnify the area of interest, when shooting portraits or animals. This also means, that you are not forced to focus in the center and recompose (which is a typical cause for blur due to field curvature of the lens when shooting wide open). I can imagine, what the M purist think about this, but those can stick with M9 and M10-D... Sure - when your domain are landscapes in bright daylight with the camera on a tripod... ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/419143-evf-m-rumoured/?do=findComment&comment=5755262'>More sharing options...
pgk Posted February 10 Share #174 Posted February 10 7 minutes ago, 3D-Kraft.com said: Sure - when your domain are landscapes in bright daylight with the camera on a tripod... Horses for courses. What do you think a heavily modified M would be good for? There is a tendency to forget that just because some photographers used a Leica (LTM or M) for 'street' photography in the past, when the world was a very different place, it is good for such photography today. I would use a 'phone if I was into such photography. But the Leica has always been used as a landscape camera, especially by mountaineers and could claim a position as a landscape cameras with equal evidence to support it. I have all singing, all dancing cameras with plenty of gadgetry on them for if I felt so inclined to use it. Mostly it gets in the way. Rarely does it improve picture taking, although apparently without all the bells and whistles a camera is out of date ..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 10 Share #175 Posted February 10 No joystick. M users always focus-recompose. After all, the focus patch does not jump around either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted February 10 Share #176 Posted February 10 36 minutes ago, lct said: Something like that? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! It needs a viewfinder window. If not for technical reasons, then to keep the classic design (yes, I've heard of the MD, but that looked weird too). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 10 Share #177 Posted February 10 1 minute ago, pgk said: Horses for courses. What do you think a heavily modified M would be good for? There is a tendency to forget that just because some photographers used a Leica (LTM or M) for 'street' photography in the past, when the world was a very different place, it is good for such photography today. I would use a 'phone if I was into such photography. But the Leica has always been used as a landscape camera, especially by mountaineers and could claim a position as a landscape cameras with equal evidence to support it. I have all singing, all dancing cameras with plenty of gadgetry on them for if I felt so inclined to use it. Mostly it gets in the way. Rarely does it improve picture taking, although apparently without all the bells and whistles a camera is out of date ..... Leica even offered a Mountain Elmar in the 1930-ies. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 10 Share #178 Posted February 10 1 minute ago, evikne said: It needs a viewfinder window. If not for technical reasons, then to keep the classic design (yes, I've heard of the MD, but that looked weird too). First a fake rewind knob, then a fake wind lever. And now a fake window? 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted February 10 Share #179 Posted February 10 4 minutes ago, jaapv said: First a fake rewind knob, then a fake wind lever. And now a fake window? Yes! 😄 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 10 Share #180 Posted February 10 Just now, evikne said: Yes! 😄 Maybe some LCD to take Selfies? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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