pgk Posted March 4 Share #341 Posted March 4 Advertisement (gone after registration) 34 minutes ago, raizans said: IBIS strengthens the Leica M ethos as a handheld camera that excels in low light. But the rangefinder is difficult to use in low contrast, low light conditions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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algrove Posted March 4 Share #342 Posted March 4 On 3/3/2025 at 1:38 PM, pgk said: Perhaps Leica could develop a shaky M lens mount? That could work for me if it can counteract my shakes.😄 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 4 Share #343 Posted March 4 25 minutes ago, algrove said: That could work for me if it can counteract my shakes.😄 I shouldn't really share this, but my Leica Dealer let me have an early glimpse of the prototype... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/419064-why-the-m-needs-ibis/?do=findComment&comment=5767465'>More sharing options...
PetPhoto Posted March 5 Share #344 Posted March 5 10 hours ago, SrMi said: The X100V (no IBIS) launch price was $1,399 in 2020, while the X100VI (with IBIS and a more expensive sensor) was $1599 in 2024. Adjusted for inflation, X100VI is cheaper than its non-IBIS predecessor. Also, no repair times or repair costs increase has been reported anywhere. https://www.amazon.com/Fujifilm-X100V-Digital-Camera-Silver/dp/B084B438ZP?th=1 2300$ from fujifilm store https://www.amazon.com/Fujifilm-X100VI-Digital-Camera-Silver/dp/B0CW17YXLS/ref=asc_df_B0CW17YXLS?tag=bingshoppinga-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=79852223680910&hvnetw=o&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4583451689254399&msclkid=2617452ee86a15e58f0c22e9366b080f&th=1 somewhat out of my price range considering fixed lenses arent my thing.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetPhoto Posted March 5 Share #345 Posted March 5 8 hours ago, pgk said: But the rangefinder is difficult to use in low contrast, low light conditions. isnt that what zone focusing is about? I thought that was the hub bub.. but I was counting swagger sticks at the time so I may have missed out on something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillavoider Posted March 5 Share #346 Posted March 5 9 hours ago, raizans said: IBIS strengthens the Leica M ethos as a handheld camera that excels in low light. i agree with this, because the M11 is not a low light camera anymore Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted March 5 Share #347 Posted March 5 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 23 minutes ago, hillavoider said: i agree with this, because the M11 is not a low light camera anymore What do you mean by not anymore? M11 is an excellent low light camera especially when on a tripod. Edited March 5 by SrMi 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted March 5 Share #348 Posted March 5 3 hours ago, PetPhoto said: isnt that what zone focusing is about? I've no idea. Zone focusing is an anathema to me on a precision camera. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgeenen Posted March 5 Share #349 Posted March 5 Let's face it: IBIS is a kind of automation that takes away responsibility from the photographer and put's it on the camera "intelligence". It promotes a lazy photographer. When I had my first IBIS ready camera, I used it very often. I was amazed on the number of sharp pictures I got at dusk and night. No need for a tripod, high ISO etc. But then I used it at concerts, theater dress rehearsals, etc - and IBIS worked! Loudspeakers, chairs, tables etc. were perfectly sharp but any movement of actors or musicians ruined the resulting image. At the end of the day I had more sharp photos but less keepers. I learned it the hard way... For my style of photography, IBIS is rarely a useful tool. Don't get me wrong - it does not harm, but it has very, very limited effect. When it is most useful - say between 1/8s and 1/60s - it most often conflicts with object movement. Apart from test shots - where I am still amazed to see what camera automation is capable of - in (my) real photography life it isn't worth a penny. There are many cameras models out there that pretend to be the tool for every type of photography and cinematography. One tool for all. There, IBIS makes perfect sense. But a M camera isn't designed as an all-purpose tool. It is not capable of video (and the M 240 wasn't a great video performer either), it is not designed for Macro, tabletop or telephoto. If Leica fits IBIS into a body - fine, they should do it. If it helps them to stay competitive on the market (and increase sales), even better. But would IBIS be an important feature for a new M purchase? Not for me. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viv Posted March 5 Share #350 Posted March 5 What's IBIS? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted March 5 Share #351 Posted March 5 31 minutes ago, Viv said: What's IBIS? After 18 pages and 352 posts, you should have figured it out. 😉 But in case you're not kidding, it stands for In Body Image Stabilization. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viv Posted March 5 Share #352 Posted March 5 12 minutes ago, evikne said: After 18 pages and 352 posts, you should have figured it out. 😉 But in case you're not kidding, it stands for In Body Image Stabilization. Thanks. I genuinely dod not know, since I only read the thread title. M cameras certainly don't need that. I can hand-hold my M11 at 1/30/sec with a 50mm lens fitted and get perfectly sharp images. If I have not drunk too much coffee beforehand. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted March 5 Share #353 Posted March 5 17 minutes ago, Viv said: Thanks. I genuinely did not know, since I only read the thread title. I'm sure you're not alone. The world of photography, and perhaps Leica in particular, is full of cryptic abbreviations. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 5 Share #354 Posted March 5 5 hours ago, hillavoider said: i agree with this, because the M11 is not a low light camera anymore Really? Amply compensated by improved ISO performance. Remember the M8? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 5 Share #355 Posted March 5 6 hours ago, PetPhoto said: isnt that what zone focusing is about? I thought that was the hub bub.. but I was counting swagger sticks at the time so I may have missed out on something. Do you mean zone misfocusing? Zone focusing does not exist. You don’t focus, you gamble whether the unsharpness will be acceptable. Like using buckshot in a sniper rifle. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgeenen Posted March 5 Share #356 Posted March 5 vor 3 Minuten schrieb jaapv: Zone focusing does not exist. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/419064-why-the-m-needs-ibis/?do=findComment&comment=5767675'>More sharing options...
pgk Posted March 5 Share #357 Posted March 5 2 minutes ago, jgeenen said: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Which M is that?😆 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 5 Share #358 Posted March 5 Color Agnar? Reminds me of the Agfa Silette of my youth. OVF but no RF if memory serves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted March 5 Share #359 Posted March 5 Looks like it worked the same way as my first camera - a Kodak 828 which used unperforated 35mm roll film with a paper backing. Good in sunny weather at infinity but a bit hit and miss otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 5 Share #360 Posted March 5 I always am saying that…. So instead of an M zonefocusers should buy a Box Brownie. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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