awolf Posted January 23 Share #261 Posted January 23 Advertisement (gone after registration) 2160px along the long size, 100% on a screen, 28” away Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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awolf Posted January 23 Share #262 Posted January 23 Have a look, top is 24meg, bottom is 60. I can see it clearly 🤷♂️ Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/418450-leica-sl3-s-%E2%80%98more-light%E2%80%99-%E2%80%93-the-unbearable-lightness-of-being/?do=findComment&comment=5744928'>More sharing options...
LD_50 Posted January 23 Share #263 Posted January 23 It’s not a very useful test if you already know which is which. Hence the suggestion to look at images and try to determine which is disappointing and how that relates to how many mp the sensor has. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
awolf Posted January 23 Share #264 Posted January 23 You keep using the word “disappointing”. You need to address it in the context I mentioned. I was hoping for more, and I believe we should have gotten more then a slightly faster SL2-S. That’s all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 23 Share #265 Posted January 23 30 minutes ago, awolf said: Have a look, top is 24meg, bottom is 60. I can see it clearly 🤷♂️ Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Different locations different light different apertures probably different filter stacks, different faces. How to compare? 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD_50 Posted January 23 Share #266 Posted January 23 33 minutes ago, awolf said: You keep using the word “disappointing”. You need to address it in the context I mentioned. I was hoping for more, and I believe we should have gotten more then a slightly faster SL2-S. That’s all. You mentioned being disappointed by the SL3-S and that photographers who want highest IQ need more than 24 mp. I cited viewing magnification, viewing distance, and medium as required to determine who much resolution is “needed.” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 23 Share #267 Posted January 23 Advertisement (gone after registration) Some like to use 60MP sensors, some like 24MP. I believe that we should stop trying to persuade each other that the other resolution is better, though it is fine to state own preference and why we prefer it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
awolf Posted January 23 Share #268 Posted January 23 (edited) 1 hour ago, jaapv said: Different locations different light different apertures probably different filter stacks, different faces. How to compare? Quite easy actually. But then again, I have both types of cameras so it’s easy for me to compare. Perhaps we narrowed the discussion to those who also have these two types, I’d like to hear their opinion. Edited January 23 by awolf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 23 Share #269 Posted January 23 Looks like a self-confirming bias to me. They wouldn’t have both cameras if they weren’t convinced. There is a reason for double blind research. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted January 23 Share #270 Posted January 23 8 hours ago, awolf said: Who are you quoting there? It wasn’t me. idk, a guy called LocalHero1953 😉 OK, you made it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Warwick Posted January 23 Share #271 Posted January 23 (edited) 2 hours ago, jaapv said: There is a reason for double blind research. It's been the best way for me to rationalise what gear to buy / keep / sell; most recently i took technically well-executed images of an identical scene in the French Alps off my 100mp medium format + my M11; processed them to be as identical as possible in terms of color balance / contrast / sharpening / etc, resampled to 55" wide, got a pro-lab to do crops off their Lambda to 30x20", and stuck them both on a wall. The differences were so remarkably subtle to my eyes that it told me all I needed to know - ie, specifically from an image quality perspective in the final very large prints, I'm now agnostic which camera to use. Edited January 23 by Jon Warwick 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismuc Posted January 23 Share #272 Posted January 23 On 1/16/2025 at 4:58 PM, Paul2660 said: Good Point on the S5ii, overlooked that. However the SL2-S has plenty of low light performance at least from what I have seen in my use. I see the Video specs have updated but I am not that interesting in the Video aspects. Right now the SL2-S new is a bargain 2K off list. For stills photographer wanting low light performance with Lecia glass, my main question is the low light performance of the SL3-S so much better than the SL2-S that It's worth the extra 3K? Would love the tilting screen however. Paul I would assume, that the Leica SL3-S uses the same 24 MP sensor as the Panasonic S5II. https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm Acc. photons to photos, the DR at any ISO of the SL2-S is basically equivalent to the DR of the S5II, to I would not expect any substantial difference in DR between the SL2-S and the SL3-S. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted January 23 Share #273 Posted January 23 19 hours ago, awolf said: And for photographers who are really looking for the highest image quality 24 megapixel is just no longer acceptable (if you think it is, you simply haven’t shot a 60 meg yet or a 100). For the past 20 years I bought almost everything new Leica produced. You must have skipped the SL3, that's the 60 MP version. The "-S" is the 24 MP version. If you are "looking for the highest image quality" in the way that I imagine, go straight to medium format, or to large format. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 23 Share #274 Posted January 23 20 hours ago, awolf said: This is a story I was telling myself for many many years, unfortunately it doesn’t hold water anymore. With the new GM lenses series from Sony plus endless supporting color profiles in post, the Sony IQ is every bit the as good and then some (and if that’s not enough, we have the X2D to consider). I am extremely disappointed with the SL3-S, which I just bought. It simply lags on all fronts if compared to the current state of the obvious contenders. And for photographers who are really looking for the highest image quality 24 megapixel is just no longer acceptable (if you think it is, you simply haven’t shot a 60 meg yet or a 100). For the past 20 years I bought almost everything new Leica produced. This might be the last time I do that. Very sad. As someone who regularly shoots with 100MP medium format cameras, I strongly disagree that the image quality of 24MP is no longer acceptable. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
awolf Posted January 23 Share #275 Posted January 23 (edited) 14 minutes ago, SrMi said: As someone who regularly shoots with 100MP medium format cameras, I strongly disagree that the image quality of 24MP is no longer acceptable. Good, you are entitled to your opinion. I would only ask as to why do you "regularly shoots with 100MP" if 24 is good enough?? Edited January 23 by awolf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 23 Share #276 Posted January 23 (edited) <wrong thread> Edited January 23 by SrMi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 23 Share #277 Posted January 23 MP count is but a small part of image quality in a long chain Subject, contrast, light, lens (!), exposure, subject frequency, sensor quality, sensor resolution , filter stack, firmware pipeline, processing software, output medium and quality, viewing conditions and distance, eye “quality”, in-brain processing, it all comes together in the final IQ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 23 Share #278 Posted January 23 2 minutes ago, awolf said: Good, you are entitled to your opinion. I would only ask as to why do you "regularly shoots with 100MP" if 24 is good enough?? I enjoy a high-resolution image and the high level of detail in an adequately captured 100MP image. I do not see relevant differences in photos shared online and printed at the sizes I print. It is nice knowing, though, that I could print an image at a colossal size and look at it without my glasses, i.e., from a 10cm distance ;-). BTW, I have been shooting with 100MP since 2017. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
awolf Posted January 23 Share #279 Posted January 23 (edited) 1 hour ago, BernardC said: You must have skipped the SL3, that's the 60 MP version. The "-S" is the 24 MP version. If you are "looking for the highest image quality" in the way that I imagine, go straight to medium format, or to large format. I have them both. I was hoping that the "faster" AF and low light performance will compensate on the issues i have with the S3. Overall, they didn't, partly because of the lower resolution sensor. Its just two bundles of compromises, and it is no longer acceptable to me. Here is good review that sums it all up (unlike the usually PR disguised as reviews). Edited January 23 by awolf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
awolf Posted January 23 Share #280 Posted January 23 (edited) 25 minutes ago, SrMi said: I enjoy a high-resolution image and the high level of detail in an adequately captured 100MP image. I do not see relevant differences in photos shared online and printed at the sizes I print. It is nice knowing, though, that I could print an image at a colossal size and look at it without my glasses, i.e., from a 10cm distance ;-). BTW, I have been shooting with 100MP since 2017. Like I said good for you, my standards are different. I understand fully the different segment these type of cameras serves. I am just saying that in 2025 the SL series is leaving a lot to be desired ( and BTW, I have been shooting with digital MF since 2004 😉). Edited January 23 by awolf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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