Landscapes with the M11

[Smogg]

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12 minutes ago, Ne314satel said:

You can also sell photos from your phone. I have both M9 and M11 and X2D. The color of the M11 is bad, I only use it in black and white and for street photography. The M9 has its own character, and the X2D is ideal for landscapes - the green color is beautiful.

I wouldn't call the M11's colors bad, but they certainly don't compare to the X2D's colors, which is basically the gold standard for color today.

[lct]

Bad or good colors? What's that? Rembrandt's colors? Monets colors? Picasso's colors? Colors are subjective and are the ones we make actually. Those complaining about the so-called magenta cast or whatever color problem would rather learn to use their camera and to set white balance in the first place. AFAIC difference between cameras is the time i spend in post to adjust colors if needed. I have no experience with Hasselblad but i sense the M11 as one of my cameras needing the least color adjustments, to the point that i use more and more the poor man's raw technique with auto WB jpegs converted to tif as starting point. Matter of tastes for sure but matter of learning and working too. As for OoC jpeg users, i'm not sure digital M cameras are the best for them if i judge by the cameras i have experience with. BTW i found the M8 referenced to above as my best Leica from this point of view, when using IR-cut filters i mean, but this is another story.

 

[Smogg]

17 minutes ago, lct said:

Bad or good colors? What's that? Rembrandt's colors? Monets colors? Picasso's colors? Colors are subjective and are the ones we make actually. Those complaining about the so-called magenta cast or whatever color problem would rather learn to use their camera and to set white balance in the first place. AFAIC difference between cameras is the time i spend in post to adjust colors if needed. I have no experience with Hasselblad but i sense the M11 as one of my cameras needing the least color adjustments, to the point that i use more and more the poor man's raw technique with auto WB jpegs converted to tif as starting point. Matter of tastes for sure but matter of learning and working too. As for OoC jpeg users, i'm not sure digital M cameras are the best for them if i judge by the cameras i have experience with. BTW i found the M8 referenced to above as my best Leica from this point of view, when using IR-cut filters i mean, but this is another story.

 

You are absolutely right when you say that everything can be changed in post-processing. In theory, you can even enter the RGB value for each pixel separately in post-processing if you are not in a hurry 😂 The only difference will be in the time you spend.

[M11 for me]

vor 15 Minuten schrieb Smogg:

The only difference will be in the time you spend.

If that is the point I would suggest to shoot in JPG 😆

[Smogg]

17 minutes ago, M11 for me said:

If that is the point I would suggest to shoot in JPG 😆

It's a matter of a reasonable balance, which everyone determines for themselves. 

A significant number of Leica buyers are people who always buy the best on the market, although their photographic background and skills are very different. Most of them always understood that Leica cameras are far from being the most technically advanced cameras, but the rich history of the company and the aura of APO lenses, which were said to produce the best images possible. And then along comes the X2D, which unexpectedly takes the throne, thereby confusing and disconcerting many loyal Leica customers who, as I wrote above, are used to thinking of their cameras as the best in the world in terms of image quality. Today, if I want maximum quality and the best color, I take the X2D on a shoot, and my Leica cameras share the remaining number of shooting days. (In my case, these are the M11-P and Q3 43. I sold the SL3 because I couldn't find any use cases for it. It can only reliably focus on a single point and only in AF-S mode. In AF-C and/or Face Detection mode it's a lottery, like flipping a coin. In AF-S mode, the X2D with primes provides better image quality, while being smaller and lighter, and with a much more comfortable grip. With zooms at events, I would still prefer the A7rV because of its reliable AF-C and face/body detection, while the quality of Sony's zooms is now at least no worse than Leica's, and also with significantly smaller dimensions and weight. Yes, Sony has an inconvenient interface, but it can reliably focus in any mode and I'd rather endure the inconvenience in order to get properly focused photos of an event that won't happen again than dig through a pile of photos after shooting in search of a small percentage of focused shots).

In fact, everything that is happening is great for us, buyers, since competition has finally increased, which will inevitably affect prices and/or quality. Either Leica will improve the quality of its cameras (color, firmware reliability, autofocus where applicable), or it will occupy niches in more modest price categories and Point-and-shoot cameras, which are now its main source of income. Nevertheless. I believe that the M series will always stand out, remaining unrivaled for now due to its unique user experience, size, rangefinder, and sufficient (though not the best) quality. With the M camera, as with any other modern camera, you can of course take a good professional picture of everything, including landscapes.

Edited December 8, 2024 by Smogg

[M11 for me]

vor 15 Minuten schrieb Smogg:

Leica cameras are far from being the most technically advanced cameras

Has the M11 not the most advanced full frame sensor? It has great dynamic range and is nearby ISO invariant. In this thread its about the M11. And for landscape to my opinion its the best camera you can have.

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17 minutes ago, M11 for me said:

Has the M11 not the most advanced full frame sensor? It has great dynamic range and is nearby ISO invariant. In this thread its about the M11. And for landscape to my opinion its the best camera you can have.

If I only shot landscapes, I wouldn't choose the M11 as my main camera, but I respect your opinion, which doesn't necessarily have to be mine.

But if someone tells me to keep only one camera for all occasions, it will be M11

Edited December 8, 2024 by Smogg

[mekener]

I have taken my m11 to Svalbard for 2 weeks, up to a minimum of 4 hours a day hiking and cruising on an inflatable. I experienced zero problems with it getting a bit wet or the cold. Actually the battery life was great, I also had the q2 with me. The q2's battery died quickly probably due to the evf and the screen. The m11 setup was easy to carry and fun to use. Heres a couple of photos with 28mm elmarit asph and 50mm lux asph. I just kept the shutter speed at least to 1/250. There were no blur problems. Since than I added a 21mm sem to the setup. I take the m11 and 3 lenses to all my travels. 

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Edited December 8, 2024 by mekener

[fotografr]

In 2013 I produced a series of landscape images on the Oregon Coast using my MM1, 24mm Elmarit, 50mm Summilux, 90mm Elmarit and a small carbon fiber tripod. In July of 2014, 31 of the images were printed on 20x30 metal and hung at a gallery for a two month exhibition. By the time the exhibition came down, 23 had been sold at $500 each. If the MM1 can produce images of this quality, it's hard for me to believe the M11/M11M wouldn't be even more successful with landscapes. In my opinion, the M system is perfect for this type of photography.

https://tamarackgallerymadison.com/exhibitions/tracks-in-the-sand-captured-memories-of-the-northern-oregon-coast/

[pedaes]

On 12/8/2024 at 7:36 PM, mekener said:

Heres a couple of photos

Fabulous images, but am I seeing some purpleish horizontal bands in the first one? Are you using latest FW?

[mekener]

2 hours ago, pedaes said:

Fabulous images, but am I seeing some purpleish horizontal bands in the first one? Are you using latest FW?

Thanks a lot. The banding does not appear on the original dng file. The original file is around 55 mb, I exported the file from lightroom and down graded it to 885 kb so the website accepts it. I think that's why the banding happens or I messed up something else I am unaware of while uploading...

[pedaes]

2 hours ago, mekener said:

does not appear on the original dng file.

Great - that's the important thing!  With such great images and high mp's, you might want to consider 'Premium Membership' as the mp posting size is significantly bigger. Have a look at the deal (no adverts as well).

[dkmoore]

On 12/11/2024 at 8:41 AM, fotografr said:

In 2013 I produced a series of landscape images on the Oregon Coast using my MM1, 24mm Elmarit, 50mm Summilux, 90mm Elmarit and a small carbon fiber tripod. In July of 2014, 31 of the images were printed on 20x30 metal and hung at a gallery for a two month exhibition. By the time the exhibition came down, 23 had been sold at $500 each. If the MM1 can produce images of this quality, it's hard for me to believe the M11/M11M wouldn't be even more successful with landscapes. In my opinion, the M system is perfect for this type of photography.

https://tamarackgallerymadison.com/exhibitions/tracks-in-the-sand-captured-memories-of-the-northern-oregon-coast/

These are excellent, not surprised. I especially liked 661. 

[stickan1]

On 12/11/2024 at 2:41 PM, fotografr said:

In 2013 I produced a series of landscape images on the Oregon Coast using my MM1, 24mm Elmarit, 50mm Summilux, 90mm Elmarit and a small carbon fiber tripod. In July of 2014, 31 of the images were printed on 20x30 metal and hung at a gallery for a two month exhibition. By the time the exhibition came down, 23 had been sold at $500 each. If the MM1 can produce images of this quality, it's hard for me to believe the M11/M11M wouldn't be even more successful with landscapes. In my opinion, the M system is perfect for this type of photography.

https://tamarackgallerymadison.com/exhibitions/tracks-in-the-sand-captured-memories-of-the-northern-oregon-coast/

Fantastic images of a great landscape!

[fotografr]

10 hours ago, dkmoore said:

These are excellent, not surprised. I especially liked 661. 

Thanks much, Dustin. I have a print of that one hanging at the top of the stairway in my home so I see it many times a day.

[charlesphoto99]

I have been working on a series of 'landscapes' and 'skyscapes' using mostly an M10, and the last three years with an M10-R. And almost all with the 135mm APO (a few with 75, 90 and 50). I think at the end of the day, it's important to remember that a 'landscape' can be anything. There's no rules that it has to resemble an Adams in scope and quality. In fact, since I've compressed and framed the world for so long with the 135, now if I shoot a landscape with a 28, it feels as if I'm taking an iPhone photo. 

M10-R, 135mm APO, through our living room window, f4 at 1/125 iso 800. 

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These are"walk around" shots that I've made with the M11 since I got it - I shoot mostly handheld, and rarely use a tripod. I was testing an ND filter for that first one.  I think the colors are fine - and these are not at full resolution (36 mp), but plenty big enough for most anything. I think the M11 is a great landscape set up - especially so considering size and weight.

Edited December 18, 2024 by Knightspirit

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These are"walk around" shots that I've made with the M11 since I got it - I shoot mostly handheld, and rarely use a tripod. I was testing an ND filter for that first one.  I think the colors are fine - and these are not at full resolution (36 mp), but plenty big enough for most anything. I think the M11 is a great landscape set up - especially so considering size and weight.

These are fantastic! I will say perhaps a bit 'crunchy' for my taste with the sharpening, but really well framed and impressive to hear some were hand-held! Which lens(es) were you using?

[Knightspirit]

25 minutes ago, nameBrandon said:

These are fantastic! I will say perhaps a bit 'crunchy' for my taste with the sharpening, but really well framed and impressive to hear some were hand-held! Which lens(es) were you using?

Thanks!

I have a lot of lenses - and carry more than most want to but that’s how I roll, lol! 
Here’s what’s in my (quite small Wotancraft) bag:

Zeiss 18mm, 28mm elmarit, LLL 35mm f2, 50mm Summicron, 75mm f2 Apo, & 135mm Apo. Plus a 1.4 magnifier, close-up adapter, 39mm variable ND
 

I also have the Voigtlander 40mm f1.2 (fantastic), Voigtlander 21mm f1.4, and a vintage 50mm Summicron v1 that I add in and out on occasion.

The pics above were shot with the 28mm except the mountain which was 75mm.

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[Gianfranco Piovano]

My pictures are mainly landscapes and Architectural.

In the past I had M4-p with 35 Summicron and 90 tele Elmarit. nothing else needed.

Then I moved to Leica R5, Nikon, Canon because I was needing Perpective Control for architecture ( and Landscape can have good improvement as well).

 Now I just came back to Leica: Better quality and less weight and space: M11-P with Voigtlander Hyper Wide 10, Super Elmar 21, Voigtlander 50 Apo Lanthar.

Considering the M11-P zoom option I consequently have following "lenses": 10, 13, 18, 21, 28, 37, 50, 65, 90.

And the quality of the 1,8 crop on M11 sensor is ...... well, more ... much more than good.

I am now thinking, and doubting, about the opportunity to look for a 135 Apo Telyt. I doubt I will really need.

regards to all. GFP