M11-D internal memory fault and freezing

[jakontil]

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After owning M11 since it was release, i never have the confidence to use the internal memory.. leica hasnt been so transparent about it.. like what tipe or kind of memory it’s using.. 

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[J S H]

22 minutes ago, jakontil said:

After owning M11 since it was release, i never have the confidence to use the internal memory.. leica hasnt been so transparent about it.. like what tipe or kind of memory it’s using.. 

I’ve been using the internal memory exclusively for two years in my M11. Zero issues after thousands of images. I have an SD card in the camera, but have never completely filled the internal memory, so it has never been necessary. 

[IkarusJohn]

I have a CF Express card in my X2D which I use for backup.  Raw & HIEF in both. Haven’t needed that level of backup so far. 

[Mahesh]

16 hours ago, Velo-city said:

I agree.  The ambition was there, but the final execution is wrong.  There's something very off in their OS and file handling for sure.  Can't even remember getting a 'file unreadable' type error on any other camera ever, but welcome to Leica M-world, where that's just one of the 'quirks' of owning this exclusive expensive system  

Not sure about their processor, but my educated guess is it's a mix of hardware and software integration, and they are probably just too small, or have the wrong setup/attitude for it.  Lots of companies without backgrounds in software development underestimate what's truly involved as they enter a more computer based world -  I've seen it happen in other areas.  To be fair, to rival what a behemoth like Sony can achieve - with their huge skillset and knowledge base across the whole micro-electronic and computer spectrum -  is something. Colour-science aside, I think they pulled off the sensor part pretty well, it's the back-end bits that are off IMO.

Clearly their alpha/beta test setup isn't performing well.  I've done both over the years and this sort of stuff would NEVER get through to production or stay a problem for so long with a good setup.  Two and a half years - come on!  That's pretty much the lifespan of other brands flagship models. My guess is they have too few people, without the relevant experience, and testing too gently.  And/or the feedback loop isn't working -  the testers should be hungry to try and 'break' things and the dev team should be hungry to receive the feedback and address it. Failing that, they've just used some incompatible components that aren't playing nice together and trying to code around them isn't working. Or they bought components from different places and not tracked them and they're not all performing the same. Who knows, could be anything.  Chances are the M12 will be much more stable from day one if they stick with mostly the same parts (like the sensor), and update the supporting componentry - and test it thoroughly of course!

None of this helps @setuporg, but he's somewhat lucky - not only is he part of this forum and quite technical but also has a backup camera.  Might not save his pics but..... other people won't be so lucky.

Yes to all of that. I work in IT and can relate to all these failings which I've seen over the years. If you haven't got the right skills, you need to tame your ambitions. Wonder if they did use Panasonic guys at all for the software and processor side of things

Same goes with the hood they supplied with steel rim reissue in the beginning. Nobody bothered to look at if the design worked. 

[hjddd]

2 minutes ago, Mahesh said:

所有这些都是肯定的。我从事 IT 工作，能够体会到这些年来我所看到的所有这些失败。如果你没有合适的技能，你就需要抑制你的野心。不知道他们是否真的在软件和处理器方面使用了松下的人

最初他们提供的钢圈引擎盖也是如此。没人费心去看看这个设计是否可行。 

they are maybe painting the glossy black， which cost them a lot of time jaja

[lct]

12 hours ago, J S H said:

I’ve been using the internal memory exclusively for two years in my M11. Zero issues after thousands of images. I have an SD card in the camera, but have never completely filled the internal memory, so it has never been necessary. 

Dittto here (early M11) except that i filled the internal memory 2 or 3 times but the camera prompted "Internal memory full. All following data will be written on the external SD card" with no problem whatsoever. I have no experience with the M11-D though.

[J S H]

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13 minutes ago, lct said:

Dittto here (early M11) except that i filled the internal memory 2 or 3 times but the camera prompted "Internal memory full. All following data will be written on the external SD card" with no problem whatsoever. I have no experience with the M11-D though.

Good to know what will happen if I ever fill up the internal memory. Thanks!

[lct]

1 minute ago, J S H said:

Good to know what will happen if I ever fill up the internal memory. Thanks!

You're welcome. When both internal memory and SD card are full, the camera prompts "No memory available to capture images". I mean the M11 as i have no clue about the M11-D.

[hdmesa]

14 hours ago, jakontil said:

After owning M11 since it was release, i never have the confidence to use the internal memory.. leica hasnt been so transparent about it.. like what tipe or kind of memory it’s using.. 

When I had the M11s, I would set it to IN=SD for backup reasons, but I never actually downloaded a shot off the internal memory. It was just there for peace of mind. And I like that if I forget an SD card, at least I can still shoot.

I'll set my M11-D to IN=SD once (and if) they give us back the format function in FOTOS. For now, it's just SD for me on the M11-D, but the internal is still there in case I forget to put the SD card back in.

Edited November 23, 2024 by hdmesa

[jakontil]

6 hours ago, hdmesa said:

When I had the M11s, I would set it to IN=SD for backup reasons, but I never actually downloaded a shot off the internal memory. It was just there for peace of mind. And I like that if I forget an SD card, at least I can still shoot.

I'll set my M11-D to IN=SD once (and if) they give us back the format function in FOTOS. For now, it's just SD for me on the M11-D, but the internal is still there in case I forget to put the SD card back in.

During the initial release too many random freezes which some believe due to behavior usage of memory, be it internal or ssd… my M11 was considered solid, and i couldnt take the risk of tempering with the way how i saved my shots, that was a sony G UHSII sdcard which i bought since 2018 lol.. i couldnt even feel safe taking it out and back to the camera.. but a quite a joyride during that period

but in my X systems, i peacefully set they way you do, IN=SD  

[dugby]

On 11/23/2024 at 10:15 PM, Mahesh said:

Wonder if they did use Panasonic guys at all for the software and processor side of things

 

Documentation indicates they used SOCIONEXT expertise.

[JimmyCheng]

On 11/21/2024 at 12:24 PM, hdmesa said:

I feel like I'm the one being gaslighted here because I've had to update the firmware on all my cameras to fix issues. What brand camera has perfect 1.0 firmware? I need to move everything to that brand.

I’ve owned like 30-40 cameras and never have I updated any camera’s firmware until Leica M11 comes along, and none have given me any issues. 

Edited November 26, 2024 by JimmyCheng

[hdmesa]

8 hours ago, JimmyCheng said:

I’ve owned like 30-40 cameras and never have I updated any camera’s firmware until Leica M11 comes along, and none have given me any issues. 

Are you typically an early adopter of cameras, purchasing them immediately after release? If not, you missed all the freezing fun with digital Ms prior to the M11. The M11 did suffer, though, because the freezing took more than a few months to fix, it took over two years. So it's not surprising that the M11 issues cast a much wider net.

Fujifilm's kaizan updates trained me to watch for and apply updates. 

[Photoworks]

On 11/26/2024 at 2:15 AM, JimmyCheng said:

I’ve owned like 30-40 cameras and never have I updated any camera’s firmware until Leica M11 comes along, and none have given me any issues. 

did you have trouble with the exposure count being 36 max?

[JimmyCheng]

2 hours ago, Photoworks said:

did you have trouble with the exposure count being 36 max?

that's a nice one 😃

[JeffWright]

On 11/15/2024 at 1:27 PM, setuporg said:

Thank you my Linux friend!:). I used to be a Linux guy, until recompiling Gentoo endlessly hadn't solved the sleep problem on a Compaq TC1000 writing tablet and I went and bought a MacBook many years ago and never looked back, using it only on the server in the clouds...  Will now get a cheap PC laptop to install Linux and try or find friends nearby.  My hunch is something's wrong at the hardware level because the camera freezes after attempts to read files.  It generally requires restarts after showing a file list and failing to read them.  Then it shows empty, and after a while it may show a list of files again.  It's all very up-and-down.

You can run Linux as a virtual machine from your Mac. Parallels works well and has a compatible Ubuntu install available.

 

[Tuan Anh]

I am experiencing an annoying bug “internal memory full” on my M11-P.I have seen others having the same bug,too.

Even i don’t store any photo on internal memory.From my observation,this only happens when i transfer photos from Fotos app via WIFI,i don’t have such a problem with usb type-c connection.

The only way to solve it is to format the memory to get rid of the notification on screen.Hope they will fix this asap,on next coming firmware or app update.

I am on lastest firmware 2.2.0

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[jonoslack]

HI There

What are your settings under Storage Management?

All the best

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[Tuan Anh]

22 minutes ago, jonoslack said:

HI There

What are your settings under Storage Management?

All the best

DNG-> Internal,JPEG->SD card.
My SD is Kingston USH-II V90 with 200MB/s write.

[Photoworks]

4 hours ago, Tuan Anh said:

Even i don’t store any photo on internal memory.

 

29 minutes ago, Tuan Anh said:

DNG-> Internal,JPEG->SD card.

isn't this using internal memory?

Just save the image to the computer and format the camera memory.