ynp Posted December 20, 2024 Share #41 Posted December 20, 2024 Advertisement (gone after registration) On 11/30/2024 at 12:42 PM, Mak67 said: Even better you can go with a Cambo actus ... You Can use almost all the digitar Lenses made by Schneider with a great image circle, almost zéro distorsion, and very sharp Lenses, with no ca . 35-47-60-90-120 are all brilliant Lenses. If you want to go, cheaper, then some apo reproduction/enlarger Lenses are very very good, nothing to compare with tse Lenses. 45, 60 and 90 apo hm are very nice and cheap. I agree. The Cambo actus with the enlarger lenses or a Copal shutter LF lenses is a relatively cheap solution. I upgraded the Actus for the G model, but I have had the Mini with the M mount and used it with the live view on my M10r. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Planetwide Posted December 27, 2024 Share #42 Posted December 27, 2024 https://www.dpreview.com/news/8323903919/laowa-announces-55mm-and-100mm-f2-8-tilt-shift-1x-macro-lenses-for-full-frame-and-medium-format L mount as well. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylonia Posted January 1 Share #43 Posted January 1 (edited) Am 13.11.2024 um 14:07 schrieb Pelu2010: Who would love to have a TS Lens for L-mount. I would love to have some stellar Tilt Shift Lenses. 90mm 50mm 24mm 16mm Happy New Year. The good news for 2025, your prayer have been answered !! The new Laowa Tilt & Shift lenses 55mm + 100mm -----> Presentation YouTube Also to be available for L-mount https://www.venuslens.net/product/laowa-55mm-f-2-8-tilt-shift-1x-macro/ https://www.venuslens.net/product/laowa-100mm-f-2-8-tilt-shift-1x-macro/ Very comprehensive test !! - Laowa 55 & 100 mm lenses by Phillip Reeve (YouTube) With critical comments, not only mentioning the good points, but also eye to some shortcomings and conflicting technical implementations by one or the other lens. Blog website: Phillip Reeve (Philliprevve.net) (YouTube) practical test 1 (YouTube) Laowa 55 mm - test by Dustin Abbott Are these lenses the holy grail?? There are more Tilt / Shift options available. Elegant and easy way is using a “tilt/shift” adapter as already shown more early (reaction #35) . But there are more inexpensive solutions, e.g. made by FotoDiox. In combination by "old" Pentax 6x7 lenses. (For more close-up you shall need a Pentax macro tube as well). Several adapters (for L-mount) combining several older medium format lenses: https://fotodioxpro.com/collections/leica-t-tl-sl-adapters?page=1 Demo using a Fuji GFX camera. But the same can be realised when using an L-mount adapter and using an L-mount camera. Focusing by the own focusing ring of the lens itself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac4n5_CxO3M Stitching images: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKG9gVJ93Ck Alternative tilt/shift adapters by Hartblei: Hartblei tilt / shift + Focus Stack using GFX 100: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfT5kmGGlPc Comparison: Hartblei Focus Tilt vs Fuji Focus Stack using GFX 100: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL_pfpWufDk Combining with an L-mount camera, you do need an extra conversion from e.g. GFX mount to L-mount. (Or Hasselblad to L-mount ?) https://www.hartblei.com/ Check also older subject about using Canon DSLR tilt/shift lenses - using a Sigma adapter to L-mount (including electronical contacts). And e.g. Nikon DSLR tilt/shift lenses. As Samyang also is part of the L-mount alliance. I wouldn't be surprised, that their tilt/shift lenses also shall become available in near future. - Edited January 1 by Babylonia 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf_ZG Posted January 1 Share #44 Posted January 1 Terrible video of Dustin. Watched two minutes, half being wasted by some ugly clothing line, and the a boring intro. Great reminder why I don’t watch YT reviews… That said, the new t/s lenses look promising Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylonia Posted January 1 Share #45 Posted January 1 (edited) Boring / terrible video, I can imagine - but you can skip an introduction and shut off the audio. (This topic is about lens choices rather than a comparison of sponsors and advertisements). But you can protect yourself from these nasty today’s advertisement “diseases”. E.g. by the use of "SponsorBlock for YouTube" add-on, and all kinds of other advertising & tracking blockers. Skipping all video sponsors, and block tons of annoying advertising in general on the web fully automatically. (In my experience blocking about one million advertising links / pop-ups each year). Just look to the image examples for what these lenses can bring to you. (E.g. IMO the very good LoCA characteristics). Enough other video examples to look for what these lenses can offer you "photographically" wise. 😎 - Edited January 1 by Babylonia Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf_ZG Posted January 1 Share #46 Posted January 1 @Babylonia: I read some more things about the lens, without watching YT. Having had the canon t/s lenses (all older editions), I am tempted to buy the 55mm. The only downside might be its weight for handheld shooting. Never had a Laowa lens before, but its offerings are rather interesting, especially as they offer many things what sigma/panasonic/leica don’t offer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelu2010 Posted January 1 Author Share #47 Posted January 1 Advertisement (gone after registration) 2 hours ago, Olaf_ZG said: @Babylonia: I read some more things about the lens, without watching YT. Having had the canon t/s lenses (all older editions), I am tempted to buy the 55mm. The only downside might be its weight for handheld shooting. Never had a Laowa lens before, but its offerings are rather interesting, especially as they offer many things what sigma/panasonic/leica don’t offer. So, there is a bit of movement in the market. I still hope that Leica will make a ts lens in the future. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylonia Posted January 2 Share #48 Posted January 2 (edited) vor 17 Stunden schrieb Pelu2010: ...I still hope that Leica will make a ts lens in the future. I doubt that this will happen? In past Leica has a rebranded / variation of "Schneider" tilt/shift lens in their product line for their Leica S3 medium format camera's. (So not produced by Leica itself). https://leica-camera.com/en-int/photography/lenses/s/ts-apo-elmar-s-120mm-f5-6-asph This lens did have a relative simple optical lens design. (6 lenses - 4 groups). That 120mm lens is a variation of Schneider 50mm / 90mm Tilt/Shift lenses. https://www.provideocoalition.com/schneider-optics-tilt-shift-lenses/ https://blog.mingthein.com/2014/03/18/review-schneider-pc-ts-50-90/ To keep track by the optical demanding for the most high pixel count / density sensors of today digital L-mount camera (60 Mp). I doubt it can be matched by any of those older lenses. But also new lens designs, as showed by the Laowa Tilt & Shift lenses do have their optical limitations. In spite these lenses do have a very complex high grade lens-design. And that has to do that digital sensors itself used in a digital camera, are optimized for in axe perpendicular lens mounting. Image sensors (specially as used within a Leica camera), do have a thin sensor cover glass and micro prisms/lenses placed in front of the sensor. In such a way that relative small wide-angles lenses the oblique light-rays at the corners, still deliver good optical image quality. But these sensor designs are not optimized when a lens is set in a tilt/shift position. (Specially by shift settings). The light-rays that are hitting the sensor at the corners of a sensor, don't match the sensor design. More problems, when using short focal length lenses, than longer focal length. So there is always a mix of not matching optical characteristics by tilt/shift lenses that negatively influences the results in real life. That is why it still is necessary to close apertures to more small openings to have reasonable qualities at outer image areas. And by that lowering general sharpness, by diffraction. (Related to used settings and desired photographic requirements). Reduction in image quality that IMO does not fit the current philosophy that Leica sets for its products. By consequence, I don't think that Leica shall offer a tilt/shift lens? Especially since the production numbers of those lenses will be so limited, and therefore have a huge price tag. That they won't produce it at all. (They can not compete by today Chinese offerings). Specially as other digital tools, and AI computing shall offer other possibilities more and more. That comes to comparable results (and even far better) than by optical tilt/shift approaches "alone". I know the photographic impact of using tilt/shift lenses very well. As in past I was familiar in using 4x5" and 8x10" big format film "technical camera" (Sinar P2) as a daily job. (Old fashioned photographer, retired already for several years). Started digital imaging beginning about 1991/1992 (Leaf DCB I). - Edited January 2 by Babylonia 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelu2010 Posted January 2 Author Share #49 Posted January 2 Well speaking about price tags > lenses go from 3000€ to 15000€ And special editions even more. But if you are working day in and out with architecture the price of the lens is not what counts. It’s the time and the effort you put into something. I am sure there will be a solution. if the new Large format Leica will be launched in the future, this will make it even more possible that some kind of ts lens will be delivered. In the end there will be a market for professionals. And if the results are better than with Sony,Canon,Nikon > it will be produced. And if not it will be produced in china. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylonia Posted January 2 Share #50 Posted January 2 (edited) vor 7 Stunden schrieb Pelu2010: But if you are working day in and out with architecture the price of the lens is not what counts. It’s the time and the effort you put into something. Well I am sure there will be a solution. if the new Large format Leica will be launched in the future, this will make it even more possible that some kind of ts lens will be delivered. In the end there will be a market for professionals. And are you patient enough to wait till Leica "maybe" introduce a new Large format camera system "in the future" including tilt/shift lenses? What would you like to do in the meantime to make a living from architectural photography without these tools? For a solution "right now" it could be that you have chosen the wrong camera system? https://fujifilm-x.com/en-us/exposure-center/tilt-shift-lenses-for-gfx-system-key-features-explained/ - Edited January 2 by Babylonia Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelu2010 Posted January 2 Author Share #51 Posted January 2 50 minutes ago, Babylonia said: And are you patient enough to wait till Leica "maybe" introduce a new Large format camera system "in the future" including tilt/shift lenses? What would you like to do in the meantime to make a living from architectural photography without these tools? For a solution "right now" it could be that you have chosen the wrong camera system? https://fujifilm-x.com/en-us/exposure-center/tilt-shift-lenses-for-gfx-system-key-features-explained/ - No I am not patient enough. I bought a Linhof Technika for the time that I am waiting and added a 65+ phase one back. so I am done. But when the come out, am am all in. so no excuses. cheers 🥂 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelu2010 Posted January 2 Author Share #52 Posted January 2 1 minute ago, Pelu2010 said: No I am not patient enough. I bought a Linhof Technika for the time that I am waiting and added a 65+ phase one back. so I am done. But when the come out, am am all in. so no excuses. cheers 🥂 By the way , I have asthma > so that’s a huge thing for me. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylonia Posted January 2 Share #53 Posted January 2 (edited) vor 4 Stunden schrieb Pelu2010: No I am not patient enough. I bought a Linhof Technika for the time that I am waiting and added a 65+ phase one back. OK, a wise decision to buy a Linhof Technika "for the time being". I didn’t mention the possibilities of using a "small technical camera" and digital back. Because I do not know your photographic background. But regarding my own experience in the "very" past by using a "large" technical camera (sheet film) as my main tool for "years". I always liked the possibilities of these kind of cameras with their full optical controls. For today's usage, smaller format equipment is needed, and comparatively with more precise fine adjustments. I always keep an eye "sideways" which "today's" technical approaches come close to these old-fashioned solutions. However mostly older lenses as used in those times do not meet today's high digital requirements. vor 4 Stunden schrieb Pelu2010: By the way , I have asthma > so that’s a huge thing for me. I can imagine. Not having asthma myself. But lugging around by heavy equipment „by those days“. It takes a big toll on your health. During the time I had three inguinal hernias at “the right side” - Three operations of the same groin. (Still have a hernia more high, and a “beginning” groin hernia of my left side - in addition to several other physical disabilities). So keeping the equipment as small and lightweight as possible, is important. (In case I lug equipment around today, I take my luggage in a well chosen model shopping trolley). Always try to make your own dreams come true with what you want to achieve with photography, and what you can handle. I know a Dutch photographer with serious back problems (already years ago), who had automated everything in his studio with electric tripods etc. Has stopped commercial photography. But with his limitations he has made about 40 „sponsored“ polar trips for years. (Retired to as me - just some years older than me). He recorded the life and changes at the South and North Pole. https://www.tijdlozemomenten.nl https://www.tijdlozemomenten.nl/info/ (Do make use of an online translator to your own language). Imagine that this "wildlife" photography is the opposite of what he did in his commercial Studio photography in those years. Using the most modern technical equipment in those times. - Edited January 3 by Babylonia Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf_ZG Posted January 8 Share #54 Posted January 8 Ordered the 55mm from Laowa. It will take a while to come, but will keep you posted. Many can be done in post, but as @Pelu2010said, not all. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf_ZG Posted February 12 Share #55 Posted February 12 So, yesterday I finally got the 55mm. Serialno. 499, and I guess the only one in my country. It is heavy! Makes my summilux feel light(er). The knobs are a bit tiny, not really for working with gloves. The tripodholder is as described in the reviews: not that stable connected to the lens, so I removed it. There is no interface between lens and camera, so manual is the way to go. After selecting a f/l of 55mm, IBIS is available. I played a bit from the chair yesterday, focusing with tilt works very well and you basically can see the sharpness throughout the focusplane in the evf. I can’t recall if I saw it that nicely with the old canon t/s lenses on the original SL (used the 2s yesterday). I bought it for its tilt, but ofcourse having shift is handy as well. Now I need to take it out. 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted February 12 Share #56 Posted February 12 37 minutes ago, Olaf_ZG said: Now I need to take it out. ... and show us the result(s), please! 😉 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelu2010 Posted February 12 Author Share #57 Posted February 12 Yes show some results pls Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf_ZG Posted February 12 Share #58 Posted February 12 Will take it out in the weekend, some patience please. Any particular things you want to see? @helged, @Pelu2010 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted February 12 Share #59 Posted February 12 1 hour ago, Olaf_ZG said: Will take it out in the weekend, some patience please. Any particular things you want to see? @helged, @Pelu2010 Just curious, any photos will do! Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KitW Posted February 13 Share #60 Posted February 13 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! A bit late to the thread, I bought an M42 to L-mount tilt-adapter and put a 50mm 1.8 Pentacon lens on it and put it on my CL. As an APSC camera, the image circle from a full frame lens is ample. Unfortunately I think the lens was showing its age in terms of sharpness. I see you can get Mamiya 645 lenses for full frame but I wonder how much better they will be? I do very much like the tilt shift effect for aerial photography, which otherwise tends to be a bit sterile with everything in focus. A bit of subtle background blur is nice, without going full miniature. The reason I gave up doing it physically was that I found it very tricky to get the degree of blur I wanted and to put the band of sharpness where I wanted it, whilst using the EVF and whilst careering round the sky leaning out of the cockpit. Much easier to take a sharp picture with a modern lens then apply a filter afterwards. For this type of photography I don't see any real advantage to doing it optically. I can still see an advantage for macro photography. Using a filter gives me much better control and lets me turn this into this It somehow feels like cheating but I get to keep far more shots. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! A bit late to the thread, I bought an M42 to L-mount tilt-adapter and put a 50mm 1.8 Pentacon lens on it and put it on my CL. As an APSC camera, the image circle from a full frame lens is ample. Unfortunately I think the lens was showing its age in terms of sharpness. I see you can get Mamiya 645 lenses for full frame but I wonder how much better they will be? I do very much like the tilt shift effect for aerial photography, which otherwise tends to be a bit sterile with everything in focus. A bit of subtle background blur is nice, without going full miniature. The reason I gave up doing it physically was that I found it very tricky to get the degree of blur I wanted and to put the band of sharpness where I wanted it, whilst using the EVF and whilst careering round the sky leaning out of the cockpit. Much easier to take a sharp picture with a modern lens then apply a filter afterwards. For this type of photography I don't see any real advantage to doing it optically. I can still see an advantage for macro photography. Using a filter gives me much better control and lets me turn this into this It somehow feels like cheating but I get to keep far more shots. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/416273-tilt-shift-lens-for-l-mount/?do=findComment&comment=5757091'>More sharing options...
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