M10-R Black Paint buying advice

[slavcho]

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Hi. I had M10-r Black Paint in the hands right after it was announced but din't buy it because my budget was tight. I have regretted this ever since. Now I can get one from someone I know for 8400 euro in almost brand new condition. In order to finance it I have to part away with my M10, my 21 Super-Elmar and my 50 Summilux Asph. (all bought used in 2019). So for the next 2 years I have to use the Black Paint with some Voigtlander lenses. Can someone help me with advice - keep the M10 with the lenses or jump on the m10-R Black Paint I always wanted? 

[Olaf_ZG]

Will it make better photos cause it is bp? If yes, it might be worth it. If not, don’t bother. Unless you are a collector.

[Anakronox]

My advice?  Never sell glass that you use.  Camera bodies come and go…

[jakontil]

I was lucky to get one when it was launched, and I never regret it, that even saw the day I had to part with my M11.. if you ever get the M10r BP, you know u gonna stick with it 

my advice may be unpopular, but sure will fit small portions of the users.. go for it, having said that you need to really want it badly, that selling your glasses to accomodate the funds won't hurt in long run ( 2 years? ) I know I probably would.. I had lived without a leica glass down the line and I survived 

but bear in mind, it is still a digital body

 

[slavcho]

4 minutes ago, Quarterpounder said:

I thought its the glass, not the body.

So you are exchanging your glass for a lesser one, in return for a different surface treatment of your camera body which is likely to be outdated and replace somewhen down the line.

How about learning to make better photos instead? That is what you are actually going to see.

I know that glass has a logical preority. But in two years I well might be able to buy again Leica glass but not anymore a new m10-r black paint… but yeah it’s just a paint…

[newtoleica]

Don’t…. It’s just a pretty finish. No better sensor, no better handling… no different images. I don’t know how much you use those lenses, but sounds like they are your only Leica lenses….. don’t be foolish. Really…… 

[slavcho]

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48 minutes ago, newtoleica said:

Don’t…. It’s just a pretty finish. No better sensor, no better handling… no different images. I don’t know how much you use those lenses, but sounds like they are your only Leica lenses….. don’t be foolish. Really…… 

Yes, these are my only Leica lenses. We have also a Q1 which is easy to use for everyone in the family.

[newtoleica]

36 minutes ago, slavcho said:

Yes, these are my only Leica lenses. We have also a Q1 which is easy to use for everyone in the family.

Although the M and Q cameras are beautiful industrial design and nice to use, it's the Leica lenses that really make the image stand out. Don't give that up. There are some excellent Voigtlander and Zeiss lenses, but if they are optically good they are often bigger and don't handle as well, and the micro-contrast and bokeh isn't much like Leica. Those lenses you have go with an M camera.

[Mute-on]

My Leica rules: never sell a Leica lens unless it is in current production and readily available, or any Leica film body that works as intended. Digital cameras are essentially disposable, even if they last a decade or more. Paying a premium for a “collectible” digital is a waste of money, unless you like to gamble on speculative investments … IMHO. 

[otto.f]

I would never swap lenses for a body unless they are redundant. And especially not if I want that body just for cosmetic reasons. The normal M10-R  is functionally exactly the same as the BP.

If you're a collector, the BP is a much better investment than the lenses you mention.

[Al Brown]

You should do WHATEVER your heart tells you. I have made similar sacrifices and NEVER regretted it (I own M10-R Black Paint as well). Sell any glass, sell any body, minimalize, optimize, IT IS JUST MATERIAL STUFF. Leica M10-R Black Paint is gorgeous, you will remember that love EVERY TIME you hold it in your hand and use it. All your lenses are super easily replacable and maybe you will realize that a different focal length or a different lens model works even better for you along the way. Remember, in deciding what is good and what is bad for a given individual, the ultimate criterion can only be his own wants and his own preferences. It is called The desire-fulfillment theory of well-being.

Edited September 22, 2024 by Al Brown

[DennisPT]

Sorry, repeated post 😊

Edited September 22, 2024 by DennisPT
Repeated post

[DennisPT]

33 minutes ago, Al Brown said:

You should do WHATEVER your heart tells you. I have made similar sacrifices and NEVER regretted it (I own M10-R Black Paint as well). Sell any glass, sell any body, minimalize, optimize, IT IS JUST MATERIAL STUFF. Leica M10-R Black Paint is gorgeous, you will remember that love EVERY TIME you hold it in your hand and use it. All your lenses are super easily replacable and maybe you will realize that a different focal length or a different lens model works even better for you along the way. Remember, in deciding what is good and what is bad for a given individual, the ultimate criterion can only be his own wants and his own preferences. It is called The desire-fulfillment theory of well-being.

Imho, I call this GAS 😊 

Edited September 22, 2024 by DennisPT

[Al Brown]

4 minutes ago, DennisPT said:

Imho, I call this GAS 😊 

You are not well acquainted with GAS definition. It stands for compulsive accumulation of technical equipment, an obsession. The OP just wants a single upgrade from M10 to a better and nicer camera he always wanted but could not buy. I see absolutely no GAS here.

[Al Brown]

13 minutes ago, Quarterpounder said:

atrizzi dials, small pre-CBS headstocks, you name it....internet forum opinion leaders mind-game newbies into following their cult. 

This forum only has one cult that also sells lens hoods. The rest is just friendly advice ☺️.

[slavcho]

30 minutes ago, Quarterpounder said:

Al is right.

In the end it is all just metal, glass, eletronics, plastic. If a BP body makes you happy, buy one. If you dont mind re-buying your preferred Leica lenses, sell them. Simply dont complain laters, so decide wisely.

 

Not that I am good at decising wisely at all.

 

Because if you then own your cherished BP body, are you going to baby it? Or use it? Think about the real-life ownership rewards outside your cupboard.

I am also not good in such decisions that’s why I wanted to ask someone in the Leica world. I am not gonna babysit it. I will use it while it’s getting nicer till the electronics die. The M10 is almost perfect and I miss sometimes more resolution to crop and level gauge. 

[newtoleica]

One can't deny through that owning a Leica M is in part about how it feels to look and looks. If that makes you feel creative and want to go out and shoot it then fine. I carve my photography out of my personal time from a very busy job, so how it makes me feel in use is a large part.

[Al Brown]

2 minutes ago, Quarterpounder said:

Can we please stop this now, otherwise I am beginning to want a BP M Leica.

Well it is the "M10-R Black Paint buying advice" thread, we can't stop being on topic...😏

[Bobonli]

Please do whatever you want, not what strangers on the Internet tell you to do!

I wouldn't trade 3 things to get one. I wouldn't trade away my lenses to get a different colored camera. But I'm a stranger on the Internet. I could be 10 years old, or 50. You have no way of knowing. Maybe I don't even own a camera, much less a Leica. 

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[charlesphoto99]

Even as the owner of a BP M10-R, bought new - and yes I traded an M10 body and a lens - a 35 Summilux asph version 1 I rarely used, but I also have a dozen other Leica lenses - my advice would not be to spend that much money on a used body, or at least one without any sort of warranty. My black paint had to have a repair for the back buttons not working at a certain ambient temperature, which only appeared a year after I'd bought it, as well as a rf calibration straight out of the box. So when buying a used Leica, barely used isn't always the flex one thinks it might be. Something to consider.